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If I am not mistaken, haven't all of our interviews been Zoom sessions? Not sure if that is the norm, but in my experience, Zoom interviews are screening interviews before setting up the serious interviews.

I like him, but he does not have sustained success--it would be a huge gamble, and I am not certain that we are in that position.

I agree. I think we spend too much time looking at the players' performances and giving credit to or blaming the coach. Look at the coach's performance. Game management is one aspect of the job, but it reveals a lot about the coach. Is he smart? Does he listen to the input from others?

Tepper knows that anyone with a choice is going to steer clear of Mint Street. We will hire someone then the PR dept will spend a few weeks pumping him up, telling us that is who we wanted all along.

By the way, the Kellen Moore comment was made with no qualifying evidence and it was sarcasm related to the vegas comments--to a point--because I cannot predict this team anymore. I think Vegas knows more than we do pertaining to issues involving sports gambling, however. I do think, however, this is going to be tough sell and there will be a lot of activity impacting what they Panthers do. I am not certain the next coach is one of the people they have reached out to at this point. They may be looking at a list of coaches who would be interested in the Panthers or any HC job, not who the Panthers are initially interested in.

But there is photographic proof and it is on the internet--2 indisputable evidence sources.

Yes--here is one of the articles about it--includes some names like Bienemy as well. https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/dallas-cowboys-ex-kellen-moore-favorite-hired-coach-carolina-odds-panthers

When the other team kicks a second quarter field goal to go ahead 3-0 and you realize 'game over."

Maybe you answered your own question. One site has him the favorite in Carolina--I hope not. What if they are not interviewing him virtually because they interviewed him last season? I can't answer, but he is a name that is flying around with no evidence (as you state) only speculation at this point,

Here is what I think will happen: Mike Vrabel: If (or I could probably say 'when') the Eagles lose, they will interview Vrabel and offer him the job. Word on the street (and I run the streets, as many of you are aware) is that Vrabel wanted more control in Tennessee. That alone will cause Tepper to look elsewhere. So what would be my choice? Call me crazy (not literally--you are not qualified--my psychoanalyst is the only person who did that with validity), but I have a short list, and these rank in order of my preference at the time. Dave Canales is my dark horse favorite. He worked under Pete Carroll at USC and he followed him to Seattle. At Seattle, he worked with a smallish QB with scrambling ability who became all pro (Russell Wilson) and he is credited for helping turn Geno Smith into a legit NFL starter. Moving on to Tampa Bay, he took Baker Mayfield and turned him into a playoff QB who has found success there. This guy has the midas touch, and if he can do that with QBs, he can do that with the 53 man roster. He is a college WR, and the Panthers need growth in that area as well. Russell Wilson faced adversity (size) and Carroll went after him and the Seahawks dominated for years. Geno Smith? Who saw that coming? Baker in Tampa was a joke, but they found a way to utilize his talents. Could he save Bryce? I doubt it, but I would not put it past him. I think he'd start with the OL. Dan Quinn, DC Dallas. I would take Quinn. He is a locker room guy and he went to a Super Bowl (28-3) with the dirty turds. His record there was over .500. You might say, "But he is a defensive coach and we are going offense in Carolina?" We do not know what we want or need. As a head coach, it helps to know how a defense might attack the offense and its players. He is liked and has HC experience and has played games as a head coach on the biggest stage. He is a winner, and I would understand and rejoice if he is the hire. Frank Smith, Dolphins OC. If we go this route, it is because we are "all in" on Bryce Young. It would also mean we will probably be drafting an "after the catch" speed demon at #33. Do I like the hire? If we are going with Bryce, yes. Avero's defense and Smith's offense could be a winning combination. Ejiro Evero, Panthers DC. Evero has proven to be an effective DC on teams with the lowest scoring offense in the league in Denver and Carolina. The Panthers turned down a request by the Jags to interview him, so that means they are keeping him. To me, that suggests as the DC, not the head coach. They had plenty of time to interview him (following the hiring of Frank R) and they have already Zoomed with him. With Ryan's success in Houston, maybe they go copy cat and hire him, but I do not have a great feeling about him. However, Evero was without Thompson (LB) and Horn (CB) most of this season and was still pretty dang respectable. I think the play is to hope to retain him and bring in a good HC who will hire his choice for an OC. Mike McDonald, Ravens DC. Along the lines of the new age, analytical coach (see Mike McDaniel, Miami), McDonald is from the "House of Harbaugh" having served as DC at Michigan under Jim and then Baltimore under John. He is 36. Not my first choice, he has interviewed in LAC, Atlanta, Tennessee, Seattle, and maybe one other team (going from memory). Ben Johnson, OC in Detroit. I don't want this turd. Demanding $15m, turning us down (probably smart to do so). Goff was pretty good when he got him, and he developed a good OL and they added a solid WR. Nothing that special. I give Campbell the credit in Detroit. Kellen Moore? Probably who we hire. Not a fan of it though.

I can't remember breakfast and its 8:30. Thanks for sharing. I mean, we really are on the same page and I always find it very difficult to argue against your points---not sure I ever have. I think they make it more complicated than it has to be. Young was always playing with the lead, had a great ground attack, good WRs, defense, etc. McCarthy, to me, is a pick for the future. You really have to look at the situation. We overpaid for Sanders running behind the best OL in the NFL. THAT money should have gone to OL and we could have gone out back and picked a RB off the "dime a dozen" tree. I liked the Theilen hire, with reservations, but signing Chark, who led the league in time in the Blue Tent in Detroit, was stupid--and that was to be the #1. WR. We reached for Mingo. I am most disappointed in Campen. Ekwonu is not good yet, Zavala, Mays, and Bozeman seem to have regressed. Sure, he had injuries, but on paper, we had depth. Fitterer was a complete and total joke, and I hope Tepper learned that in terms of football, he is an owner, and we need his dollars, not his brain power. Jeez. And my hope for Young is to get all the way up to mediocre.

I was coming here to see if there was a thread about this. I see him as a developmental QB with a good arm and good speed. I would take him. I am not sure I would start him in 2024, but I would take him and let him compete with Andy and Young. I still think there is a glimmer of hope for Young, with a better OL and WRs, but I really think they let him go past the point of no return--experience is good, but getting humiliated again and again is how you break a 22 year old kid. Still, with 3 QB options (when nobody has shown they deserve a job) is better than 2. I wanted a WR, but they can be found later. I do not think Fitterer and the team / Tepper could have had a worse off season. Horrible. As if they were trying to lose.

Yes, they have already been doing this during the regular season, but I understand that local markets can still watch their teams on network TV then. However, I think this is the first time this has happened in the playoffs, so half the teams are already eliminated and there is more interest in out of market team games.

We live in a country that pays backup QBs who never see the field $500,000 per game. We allow the rich to avoid paying taxes--heck, some even pay the legal fees of a self-proclaimed billionaire. So the OP is right--the more you give in, the more they will take. The rich are a bunch of greedy SOBs.

It is the only thing a narcissist would do in this situation. Google it, everyone. You can predict when Tepper takes a dump if you understand the tendencies of his mentality. He is who he is, and that got him here, but it will not take him to where he wants to go. It is like riding a horse across country on your way to Europe. When you get to the coast, you probably need to get off the damn horse and let the boats take over.

Go get Vrabel. The guy won with a good Running game and a sub-par QB. Who else in the NFL can say that? Furthermore, I believe the experience he has is very important. As with any new position, coaches make rookie mistakes. Vrabe (that is what I can him because we are buds, sorta) is past that. I just love the coaches that get players to run through walls for them--getting the most out of the entire roster. Vrabel is one of those guys. Tomlin is that way, Dan Campbell is that way. Pete Carroll was that way, and in the form of head games, Belichick was that way. Vrabel would be John Fox on steriods, and that is not a bad thing.

Probably impressed by the way the Bears fleeced Fitterer last year.

Seriously, with Bill Belichick and David Tepper picking talent...

Lotta people saying Atlanta for Belichick. Commanders or Chargers--he wants a QB (Washington has the #2 pick, I believe) and LAC has Herbert and they are under performing. If I were him, I would go to the Chargers--I just don't know how much he'd like LA.

Y'all know this aint about money. When money is no longer a concern, it becomes a very minor issue behind decisions. He wants to prove to the world how great he is. Money did not make him famous, but this ownership has; however, he is infamous, something he never expected. He is getting older and seeks things money can't buy--like immortality (a lasting reputation as a winner). If he turned over the decisions to others, he would appear to be a failure in his mind. He wants his fingerprints on things--When things go wrong, he fires people because he wants to project that THEY are the reason it went South and even though he is to blame. It gives him the feeling of the "White Knight" riding into town to save the village. Right now, Tepper is embarrassed and blaming others--his circle that fed his narcissism and allowed him to think he is smart just betrayed him in his mind. Even if he knows that he is the problem, he is going to focus on appearances, even if fabricated to protect his ego. Being the richest owner, I am sure that he thinks he is the smartest and wants to prove it. I doubt he has the awareness of reality and sense he needs to step aside, unfortunately. The Narcissist with power is a very dangerous creature.

Nice.

I had a conversation with some old college teammates and they asked me, "What coach would you want to play for in the NFL?" It was too hard for stupid former football players who were retelling ancient memories and exaggerated war stories that defy the actual statistics and facts, but here was my Mt. Rushmore: 1. Andy Reid 2. Pete Carroll 3. Mike Tomlin 4. John Harbaugh It was hard not putting Ryans, Saleh, Shanahan, and McDaniel on that list, so I developed a second Mt Rushmore of coaches I think I would like to play for. The Mt Rushmore of coaches I would not like to play for: 1. Bill Belichick 2. Sean Payton 3. Mike McCarthy 4. Nick Sirianni So it was written.

Ricci was showing signs in that area before IR, and Tremble flashed during Green Bay, but no, we had to have Thomas out there to meet our penalty quota. Still, not enough production to have either penciled in as the cure. I never saw Hurst as a big time TE, but apparently, Fitterer thought he was going to be our #1. I do think we need a stud--to help block at times and to get open at times.

Seriously--I did not know you could score in the 20s. I thought if your chin strap was snapped and you didn't shi t your pants you got a 30.

You mean giving great contracts to below average players is not the goal?