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Since he re-signed, does that mean Baker is elite? I have not read this entire thread. Sorry if it is so yesterday evening.

Right. Keeping him costs $30, cutting him costs $24.5.

I think Newton is just speculating. He does not seem to have the connections others have. When your post begins with "Keep an eye out..." All I can say is a look at the salaries tells you that is a possibility, but it is a 50% possibility, so bases covered. Cutting edge of journalism? Nope--not when you speculate about if they are OK with dead money. He could read the Huddle and get more insight.

Yeah, best to pay him this year, in my humble opinion, because at least you get something for the dead money, and june cut him in 2025. It was a strange contract.

Not sure what has been discussed, but they recently announced that fields is not getting the offers the Bears had hoped to get...Russell Wilson getting released is going to make him cheaper without a trade. Cousins is now the favorite in Atlanta if he moves, but their second choice is Baker Mayfield. Oh my.

I agree, but the interest in OTs right now could be an indication that he is not our RT in 2025. He will be 31, and while that is not too old for a T, it is too much for a 31 year old RT with his credentials.

I have been saying all along that we need help at CB before this happened. I worry about Horn's ability to keep from getting injured. If he demands top dollar, I will be sorta pissed. If we lose Burns and a starting CB, it could be a bad thing. Fitterer had no plan for the future, it seems. Moton getting $30 m in 2024 and 2025, the Burns fiasco....I really thought we'd be in better shape when the dead cap dropped off, but Fitterer seems to have mortgaged the future to go 2-15. Just my misinformed opinion.

First of all, my rule is (and I have never broken this rule--you have my word) is never give a RB a second contract. If you look at the data, they peak at age 26 and most never earn the second contract. But here comes Fitterer and he says, "Hey, let's pay top dollar for a RB off a team that had a great OL and a dual threat QB who had AJ Brown and Devonta Smith at WR and Dallas Goedert at TE and see what he can do here--"

He was probably an early second rounder before the injury--however, I am thinking he could go late second early third. I would love him--but these hogs with lower body injuries lose luster until they have proven they can return to form

BC could backup every position--I was thinking we gave him some snaps at C as a rookie, but I might be wrong. He is athletic, smart, and most NFL teams covet the swing tackles. I think we are going to sign a G free agent and draft a T--maybe with #65

I get that about the CBs--I just think we had a need and I like the quality that should be there in the middle. I think there are a large number of CBs who will make a roster--not seeing to many Revis Islands. I would be fine re-signing S Griffin and maybe a nickel late.

I like to think, "There was a time when I could outrun Xavier Worthy." It was around 2003. When he was 1.

My mouth does not always follow my mocking. I find myself going BPA when I mock. Man, the OL, WR, and CB groups look strong.

That is what the tea leaves say.

Nice to know that someone, somewhere is up when I am !! I think we keep Thielen maybe one season and you are right, go after the Alpha. We cannot miss on any picks--need 2 who can contribute. I think we are going to splurge on a G and find a serviceable CB in free agency--and then we will draft a developmental T later, based on these tea leaves.

Multiple WR types looks like we could go WR twice. In the deepest WR draft in years, yes. Teams may opt for other needs in the first round, assuming they can take a WR in round 2. That will cause someone to drop. My Rankings of these WRs (and so it was written): X WRs Round 1, 2: Brian Thomas 6-4 205 LSU (Gotta think Canales will want a Mike Evans clone) Round 2: Keon Coleman 6-4 205 FSU (Another large Evans-type red zone WR) Round 2, 3: Xavier Legette 6-3 227 THE USC (thick WR who is 23 with 1 year of experience. I thought he looked a bit sloppy at times at the Combine from what I could see. I am a Gamecock fan, but I think he'd be a value at pick #65, not #33. Slot WRs Round 1, 2: Ladd McConkey 6-0 185 UGA (Not sure you put him at slot exclusively; he can play all over. Good route runner.) Round 2: Xavier Worthy 6-1, 172 Texas (Zay Flowers' success, 4.21 could inflate his worthy-ness; I have him as a late second rounder, frankly. I know many have him as a possible first rounder. Too raw, imo. Round 3, 4: Malik Washington 5-8, 195 UVa (Huge production at UVA and he is perfect for the RAC receiver we need for screens and reverses, etc. Some have him as high as a second-round grade, but not in this WR group. He is a third rounder and we could probably get him at pick #101. Round 3, 4: Ainias Smith 5-10, 200 TexAM (Effective WR with big play and KR capabilities. My overall Rankings Brian Thomas Ladd McConkey Keon Coleman Xavier Worthy Xavier Leggett Malik Washington Ainias Smith

Morgan was right. We need some Dawgs. Thanks Dawg. It sure looks like we are 100% offense this time around. the D players (some of them) might be undrafted free agents. The fact that we talked to multiple OTs and no IOL (I realize this list is probably not complete) could also be telling. Could mean that we are targeting G in free agency like rumored. In our draft range, OG and OC is deep too. However, we could see 7 OTs come off the board in round 1--maybe 8. In round 3, we could get a second round value. Strongly suggests that we either A) are not 100% sold on Ickey or 2) need depth and plan to move on from Moton at some point, probably 2025.

we need to draft 2 WRs and 2 OL in this year's draft. The talent is overwhelming. BC to swing T--he is perfect for that. I changed my tune based on watching the combine this morning. Wow--the Center group is strong, the G group is very strong. OT? not as strong. 60 something combine invitees.

Morgan was in negotiations (allegedly) with Detroit at the combine. Here is what we know: 1. He wants dawgs. 2. He said that he was not going to structure contracts where the team "kicks the can down the road" To me, that leads to a lot of dead cap money eventually--and for the past half decade, the Panthers have been operating with a smaller cap figure than just about everyone else for this reason. More Hurney than Scott Fitt, but take a look at Moton's contract--$30m per season for 2024 and 2025. This means, Burns probably is not a "dawg" if he played not to be injured and his numbers reflected it. He wants top $$, however. Morgan is unlikely to give him the payday he wants. Frankly, I know he was aware that the Panthers turned down an offer to trade him, so I wonder if the comment was not made to a) provide an excuse for his drop in numbers, and b) trigger a trade on the part of Burns 3. To me, the draft has a lot of talent at our need positions WR, CB, IOL. The draft is not deep or that good at the edge position. Detroit picks 29th, and they are unlikely to find that complement to Hutchinson. 4. Detroit has a solid roster and have more cap room than most teams. (I have seen various estimates, but they are well over $50m)

How many WRs will go in round 1? Possibly 6--if Xavier's 40 time causes him to squeeze in the top 32, it could be 7. In my view, Harrison, Nabers and Odunze are top 10, and Thomas is top 20, and Franklin is top 32. That is 5 WRs going in the first round. Now, there is something to consider--the Panthers apparently had 2 meetings with Malik Washington, a 5'8" tall slot WR out of UVA who should be available in the third round or even on day 3. So what will be available with the #33 pick? A TON of solid WR talent (Listed below). However, we need a polished route runner and a guy with good hands who can work the middle and the sidelines. I had not really heard of him until the combine, but he kept catching my eye. Don't laugh, but if I was going to take a WR in the second round, I think I would take Pearsall. Here is why: WR Ricky Pearsall. Elite Combine performance, great hands, great route runner. 6 ft 1 inches tall. 195 lbs. 40: 4.41 (82nd percentile) Vert: 42” (97th percentile) Broad: 10’9” (89th percentile) 3-cone: 6.64 (93rd percentile) SS: 4.05 (89th percentile) Others Polk UW Legette SC J. Baker UCF J. Wilson Fl St McConkey UGA Mitchell Tex Coleman Fl St Worthy Tex Corley WKY Walker UNC Burton Bama Wilson Michigan It seems to me if we are interested in Washington later in the draft as a slot WR, we are probably going to draft an X WR at 33. Imagine this: Thielen Pearsall Mingo Malik Washington Marsette-Smith Marshall Jr I think that would be a significant upgrade. Now, the reason I did this is some of you were talking about McConkley--and I love him--but if we are talking to Malik Washington, we are not looking for a slot WR until later in the draft. That would restrict the players we'd take at #33. I think we could trade down 5-10 spots and still get Pearsall.

So you have data to support this? I would agree that your position is a "no brainer." 38% of self-identified Native Americans said they were not bothered by the Washington Redskins name. But 49% overall said it was offensive, along with 67% of respondents who were heavily engaged in their native or tribal cultures, 60% of young people, and 52% of those with tribal affiliations. But it is not about numbers, so I was wrong for presenting the data to argue in support of a decision that is about individuals, not groups. If it was always about the majority makes the decision, we could tear down access ramps for the disabled. We could hoist our Confederate flags to celebrate 4 years of white heritage that most whites know nothing about, and we could force all religions not classified as evangelicals to comply with the majority or tough sh!t. Right? If some are offended, even if those offended were not in the majority, that is all that should matter.

You know, I have been really down on the TEs this year, I have not even considered them. However, after watching those tight ends in shorts working out---rephrasing---after watching the Y receivers compete at the combine, I saw a few who might be there later and might make us better. Please add to this list or correct me if I missed: List based on TEs that might be available after pick 101: 1. Ben Sinnott Kansas St. (maybe rounds 4-5) 2. Theo Johnson, Penn St. (4-5) 3. AJ Barner, Michigan (5-6) 4, Jaheim Bell, Florida St. (5-7) 5. Devin Culp Washington 5-7)

Any issue that addresses racism is going to be the few ruling many. The majority is not in position to decide how the minority group should feel about it simply because they can outvote them. Referring to skin color is about as racist as it gets, even if it is a mascot--in my view.

I think you have to piece together scraps and sift through the hype and dysinformation. Initially, I was Stroud but I sensed that the Panthers were going Young so I started selling it to myself. I should have stayed with my guns. Having said that, I am not throwing dirt on Young in his grave either. I saw a few flashes, and with an OL and a few weapons, Maybe--there is hope.

Verge mocked him. He is a playmaker. I mock him too, but not as early as Verge. I would not be disappointed, folsk