MHS831

They have to extend Moton now, and that is not a bad move anyway. They need to sign a G in free agency, maybe a CB. They need to hit on 2 WRs in the draft. Since drafting Steve Smith, I am not sure I can think of 1 in 20 years.

I miss Marty Hurney. Seriously, we could sign him to a long-term deal and then trade him, but that is also a long shot.

I do not like the "two first round picks" compensation--that means a team like the Commanders, for example. Their first rounder is 2600 points in trade value + next year's first, which, for example, could be around 1500 if they improve. Therefore, Burns costs them 4100 points in draft trade value. Detroit was interested in Burns at one point, and they have the 29th overall pick and seek to make a deep playoff run next season. That means they would have to offer 640 points. If they stay at #29 in 2024, in this example, they would have to spend 1280 points for Burns in draft capital vs. the Commanders who would have to spend over 4000 points for the same player. Having said that, 1280 points for Detroit is the equivalent of ONE 10th / 11th overall first round pick. That may seem to be a good value for the Lions.

Personally, I think pressures are a more important stat than sacks because sometimes, the first to arrive and move the QB off the mark sends him into the arms of the last to arrive, who gets the sack. I also would like a stat on how well an OLB holds the edge on a running play. So maybe there is more to this than we see, but I get it--we live in the age now where college players do not attend bowl games in order to workout and not get injured. Same basic concept?

Yeah, that Tarzan chest pounding and Tool Time grunting may have worked at MLB, but not GM. Burns is 25, so there is that--but I am not sure I would seek a long term deal. Keep him for a season and see if you can find some others. I am also aware that we had some good edge rushers in Charles Johnson, Greg hardy, etc. that came of age in year 3. MAYBE there is hope for Barno behind Burns--we shall see. Leota was not that bad last season as an undrafted free agent, but he is more of a backup for YGM. Johnson? What the hell was that? (BTW, he and Burns are the same age).

OK NFL Nerds with little to no lives: What does this mean in relation to the possibility of trading Burns? In other words, does this distinction provide an indication of what they intend to do? It would seem to me that they might have better luck trading him after the draft--but I don't keep up with patterns, so I am curious. Now I have to get back to a fulfilling, very productive life. Thanks in advance, Love, MHS

I am not sure how it works--

I hated Elway--the player and then the GM there. Never liked Denver (love the city though)--when they traded for Payton, I was thinking, "You just traded for a coach who was good because of Drew Brees. "

Someone said that Payton did not sign up for this mess.He is one of those coaches who is only considered pgreat" because he did not have to worry about the QB position for a long time. Bill Belichick (sp) was another. He took the job, in my view, because Denver had an established QB. I think Payton thought he could fix Wilson. Now, I will say that Denver had a decent year last season, but Payton lost patience. Wilson improved, and after a 1-5 start, they won like 5 in a row--and improved from 5-12 to 8-9. At one point, they were 7-6 and then lost to the Patriots in Denver--after blowing a lead (Bad team, coached by Belichick--that was when Wilson got benched for the rest of the season.) Now, think personalities--Wilson is this religious, happy optimist who seems fake, and Payton is best known for bounty gate. Evil vs. Good narcissists. I think this move is based on Payton's ego.

I have never liked Russell Wilson--the person. He just seems fake to me, but after cleaning out Denver's bank account, he smiles at the presser and tells the world how he can go somewhere else and return to his level of greatness. I would be humble and apologetic even, but not that arrogant narcissist. In essence, he is telling the people of Denver that they will be buying season tickets to pay for him to play elsewhere while they struggle in Cap space hell the entire time. His expression seemed to indicate that he does not get it--this is not about his well being. I think it was embarrassing on one level, but again, he let Denver down. Lotta people tell me that he is just like that--a religious optimist and not a narcissist. I disagree.

Wilson had good WRs, a stud RB, and a helluva defense during his glory days in seattle. he sucked in Denver. Now you can see why Canales is going to build around Bryce--he thinks he can turn water into wine again.

You think Cleveland is paying attention?

Since he re-signed, does that mean Baker is elite? I have not read this entire thread. Sorry if it is so yesterday evening.

Right. Keeping him costs $30, cutting him costs $24.5.

I think Newton is just speculating. He does not seem to have the connections others have. When your post begins with "Keep an eye out..." All I can say is a look at the salaries tells you that is a possibility, but it is a 50% possibility, so bases covered. Cutting edge of journalism? Nope--not when you speculate about if they are OK with dead money. He could read the Huddle and get more insight.

Yeah, best to pay him this year, in my humble opinion, because at least you get something for the dead money, and june cut him in 2025. It was a strange contract.

Not sure what has been discussed, but they recently announced that fields is not getting the offers the Bears had hoped to get...Russell Wilson getting released is going to make him cheaper without a trade. Cousins is now the favorite in Atlanta if he moves, but their second choice is Baker Mayfield. Oh my.

I agree, but the interest in OTs right now could be an indication that he is not our RT in 2025. He will be 31, and while that is not too old for a T, it is too much for a 31 year old RT with his credentials.

I have been saying all along that we need help at CB before this happened. I worry about Horn's ability to keep from getting injured. If he demands top dollar, I will be sorta pissed. If we lose Burns and a starting CB, it could be a bad thing. Fitterer had no plan for the future, it seems. Moton getting $30 m in 2024 and 2025, the Burns fiasco....I really thought we'd be in better shape when the dead cap dropped off, but Fitterer seems to have mortgaged the future to go 2-15. Just my misinformed opinion.

First of all, my rule is (and I have never broken this rule--you have my word) is never give a RB a second contract. If you look at the data, they peak at age 26 and most never earn the second contract. But here comes Fitterer and he says, "Hey, let's pay top dollar for a RB off a team that had a great OL and a dual threat QB who had AJ Brown and Devonta Smith at WR and Dallas Goedert at TE and see what he can do here--"

He was probably an early second rounder before the injury--however, I am thinking he could go late second early third. I would love him--but these hogs with lower body injuries lose luster until they have proven they can return to form

BC could backup every position--I was thinking we gave him some snaps at C as a rookie, but I might be wrong. He is athletic, smart, and most NFL teams covet the swing tackles. I think we are going to sign a G free agent and draft a T--maybe with #65

I get that about the CBs--I just think we had a need and I like the quality that should be there in the middle. I think there are a large number of CBs who will make a roster--not seeing to many Revis Islands. I would be fine re-signing S Griffin and maybe a nickel late.

I like to think, "There was a time when I could outrun Xavier Worthy." It was around 2003. When he was 1.

My mouth does not always follow my mocking. I find myself going BPA when I mock. Man, the OL, WR, and CB groups look strong.