MHS831

Take a look at Jordon Love and his predecessor Rodgers. QBs drafted later in round 1 are lesser players, but I bet the bust rate is lower. Rookie QBs + bad teams often causes the QB to lose confidence.

I am not going to say it again on here; we need to use Bryce's assets and not try to fit him into a system. We need a system designed for him. Bringing in the 2 guards is a start. HOWEVER... To me, the successful conversion of Bryce Young comes with a huge price tag. If we turn it around and Bryce plays well because we have an offensive line that makes $90m, he is going to want $50m and the WRs will demand another $50m. Not even mentioning RBs and TEs, but we will need $200m just for the offense at this rate. I see this process as a long term bust--if it works, you are screwed because it requires a stud OL and stud WRs. OTC Right now, before all free agents and draft picks are signed and a QB on a rookie deal posts the following: Offense: $133,819,164 Defense: $62,906,915 Special: $6,431,168 If Bryce was a veteran on a second contract, you could add $40m to this figure. We have no #1 WR and no stud TE. As you can see, the Offensive budget needs to be around $130m. We are over that now--with QB on a rookie contract. The only way to do this is by having 3 OL on a rookie contract at all times, and maybe only 2 WRs on second contracts.

In my view, based on fundamentals, hands, intelligence, and previous success, I would say that Ladd has the least chance to be a bust. I think, if we stay with Bryce, he might be what Bryce needs more than some of the others. The others may have higher upsides by a little, but Bryce needs weapons and success in 2024, and I think Ladd could play sooner.

And I am not one of those people who will not admit if I am wrong or hear a perspective that contradicts my view. The target issue is a good point. but there are a lot of variables. You could argue (illogically) that Mingo got more targets because he was open more. We only assume the reason--and how often were Mingo's targets when the QB had broken from his delivery point and was trying to make a play. I hope you are right if we sign him.

To make sure you saw this: Bryce was hesitant and had a horrible OL...."The NFL average catchable throw rate from a clean pocket is 79.4%, compared to a lowly 60.5% when pressured." That percentage suggests that the difference of catchable balls was not that different. Dak, with a solid OL vs. a rookie with a terrible OL.

Which might imply that Mingo was facing better CBs. Too many variables, but the # of targets is a good point, but we are also comparing a vet to a rookie season with a rookie QB behind a bad OL. Dallas had Prescott and a good OL--and we both know that improves timing. A QB forced off his spot probably does not put the ball where it needs to be when it needs to be there. "The NFL average catchable throw rate from a clean pocket is 79.4%, compared to a lowly 60.5% when pressured." That percentage suggests that the difference of catchable balls was not that different. Don't get me wrong, I would take Gallup, but my point was that he should not be paid $11.5m here.

I am aware.

Moving forward, Chinned will now be a verb. Well played.

Here is what I do not get---are the same people who are down on Bryce bashing Mingo as well? Have we thought that through?

Colby Parkinson had 247 yards and 2 TDs last season and he got a three year, $21m deal. Yikes.

A: 418 Q: How many receiving yards did both Michael Gallup and Jonathan Mingo (as a rookie) have in 2023?

Going to show you all how cheap I am. We saute mushrooms, peppers, onions, ground turkey, etc. in a frying pan that probably costs us about $7. We go to Little Ceasar's and pick up 3 large Pepperoni pizzas for about $20. We have 3 large "all the way" Pizzas for about $9 bucks each ($27). Delivered with the works? The cost would be about $40-50 or more.

Seriously, after the year Bryce had, I think Daddy should stay off social media related to the Panther's offense. While this was a hypothetical, it could be considered meddling, in my view. Remember, we live in an era now where moms and dads get involved in the recruitment process in college and the $$$ involved--if you recall, even before the college game endorsed it, Cam's dad was asking for six figure payouts when he was in college. Just my 2c. I hate what is happening to college sports now, and to see a Daddy going on social media about who the Pahthers should draft to help his son not suck is irritating.

Why not? Let's have everyone contributing to our big board. The Teppers, QB's daddy, the Pizza delivery guy....

I know, right? However, I have learned that making things quantifiable often makes them more understandable. So this brings up an interesting point. Instead of just generalizing something everyone knows or believes, how can we make that measurable? Let's say there are 300 players in the talent pool. The Panthers have 30 in for visits, and the interviewed 30 more players at the combine, SR bowl, etc. I looked back over the last 10 years, and it seems fairly safe to say that we had an average of just under 7 picks and we drafted at least 2 players (on average) that we met with. That means that approximately 30% of the players we draft were players we formally met with at the combine or had in for a visit. Now if you take a look at the players (on average) that we did not meet with at the combine or visited, then it is safe to assume that approximately 5 of 7 were not formally visited, approximately 70%. If you consider that about 30% of the Panther picks come from the 60 players the Panthers interviewed or visited (combine, visits), and 70% of the picks come from the much larger pool of the rest of the players in the draft who did not visit, Then a player has about a 5% chance of being picked by the Panthers if he visited or met with the Panthers. While a majority of players chosen did not meet with the Panthers, the approximate odds of being picked by the Panthers falls to 2.5%. Therefore, a player who the Panthers met with at the Combine or visited is twice as likely to be picked by the Panthers than a player who did not have formal contact as described herein.

Does this mean we are making room for another signing?

They met with Trice already, so they think he can do it--which OLB position? They met with him before the Wonnum signing. Heck, meeting with a player does not mean they walked away liking what they saw.... There is a guy from Colorado State that impressed me at some point this past year. Kamara. had 14 sacks in 2023, 15 sacks in 2021/2022. Sleeper?

He is also pretty versatile, from what i have read.

This may mean nothing and it could even be a detriment, but Morgan brings a perspective we have not had before--from a former player. Gettlemen was the closest thing we had to a player--he was a very successful high school football coach. Marty Hurney was a sports reporter for a now defunct Washington newspaper--and was hired as a PR guy. Scott Fitterer was a baseball player. The difference? The interviews--maybe this is what Morgan said when he talked about Dawgs. The mindset of the player. Of all the measurables, speed, strength, etc. He was saying that he values heart and intelligence above all else. He has also been true to his word so far. I am not seeing a lot of can kicking---he is going to find good players. I always wondered if extensions and overpaying players was a result of an inept or even lazy GM. Remember that CB we signed to start opposite Horn? He was a 7th rounder that Morgan found and promoted. Finally, I think Hurney was good at the first round because that is where the chances for success are high and he drafted pretty safely--but the great teams are built on days 2 and 3. Morgan seems to have an eye for the talent there. Before you say this is nonsense, that there have been a lot of good GMs who never played, just consider what it takes to be an elite MLB in the NFL. You have to know your defense and you better know the offense. Remember when Luke was calling out plays before the snap? You have to know both sides of the ball, and Morgan had success. He knows dawgs. I am not crowning him, but I am saying this start seems different. We need different.

He is a year away from playing, IMO, but do not discount that bloodline.

https://fb.watch/qQRnreJrs1/

Just that one that I have never heard of.

I like Wiley as well.

I don't care if Juan cannot embed--I am not his boss at Mattress Firm. I will say, he has been killin it!

He has had 2 seasons of 7 where he had over 1000 yards. He was overpaid by the Chargers.