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I feel much better paying Brown than Burns I hope that comment makes his Spidey senses tingle. "Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to not get hurt... "

The Carolina Panthers and defensive tackle Derrick Brown have agreed to a four-year contract extension, the team announced Friday, with a source telling ESPN's Adam Schefter that the $96 million deal includes $63.165 million guaranteed. The $24 million per year average on Brown's extension is the fourth highest in the NFL for a defensive tackle. It trails only the Chiefs' Chris Jones, Raiders' Christian Wilkins and Ravens' Justin Madubuike, who all signed new contracts as free agents during the offseason.

Of course, it is early, but I agree with you. And I, unlike some of the Huddlers whose prom pictures were with their right hands with a wrist corsage, admit when I was wrong. I hated the Morgan hire. Changed my mind, of course.

I was hoping the timing of this extension might be for that reason. Makes sense.

Good point. But if he wasn't, who were they referring to? Chinn? YGM? Corral? CMC? We basically have kept Moton, Shaq Thompson, and Brown---but Ickey, Horn, Chubba, BC, Tremble, Marshall, Mingo--and none of them have come up for a second contract yet.

Not even close....Yep.

Just let Burns walk. Too soon?

I recall some teams taking 2 QBs in the draft (not sure about consecutive years) and it turned out. Aikman and took Steve Walsh (going from memory, so correct any mistakes) that same year in the supplemental draft. Of course, perhaps the richest QB ever was selected in the fourth round behind RGIII. I think Brock Purdy and his success in SF after playing a lot of ball in college has opened some eyes. If you are the Panthers, you draft a QB in round 2 to develop to be a backup and compete. I do not get why anyone should think that competition for the starting QB is a bad thing. Iron sharpens Iron. My perspective, however, is that we have Dalton for this season, but who are we getting next year, if we need to develop a Young replacement? In other words, if you think Bryce sucks and you think we should not waste a pick on a QB this season, then my question would be, "Then you are good with keeping Bryce for 2 seasons?" Next year, Dalton is gone and we have a bust QB in year 3--if Canales fails to bring him along. We are not in a great situation, and the blame goes to the dotards that are no longer here and Tepper, the lone supreme dotard. Having said that, it is my view that Bryce would be better off with a seasoned veteran in his ear than a developing rookie, so I say that going "all in" on Bryce may be the way to go--not the ideal way...

Denver is rumored to want him, but they pick around #12. Without a second round selection, I would not be surprised to see them over-draft him. If they do not, however, we could probably get a future first rounder and their third rounder this year for him. Just spit balling--have not heard that.

3 weeks til we go on the clock. As you all know, during these days of speculation and roster analysis, I tend to throw stuff out there--the things you don't talk about at parties, but you need me on that wall. Where was I?....Oh, someone said something that I think could warrant discussion, especially amongst all you Bryce haters. Point: Canales said he was going to build an offense to play to Young's strengths. He is true to his word--did it before.' Point: The Panthers interviewed/met with Bo Nix at the Combine. Point: Canales never said there would be no "Plan B," and he never said that they were "all in" on Bryce. Point: The Broncos are interested. Point: The QB crop does not look great for 2025. NFL Network Description of Nix (6'2", 215): Rare five-year starting quarterback whose play has matured in front of our eyes. Nix displays the accuracy, arm talent and athleticism consistent with today’s brand of pro quarterback. He can be punctual in getting the ball out at the top of his drop or he can work through progressions and beat defenses with second-reaction plays. He throws with good velocity and puts the ball on the money when throwing on the move. Nix has shown great improvement with his pocket poise. He’s capable of moving the sticks as a scrambler or as part of the running game. Some of his gaudy production has been driven by the Oregon offense’s design, but his talent clearly stands out. I’ve harbored bias from watching the overwhelmed version of Nix during his Auburn days, but as the saying goes, “tape don’t lie.” Nix appears more than ready to attack the league with an NFL-caliber skill set. Point: The NFL Network claims that Nix has the skills to be a "plus starter" in this league. Point: There are successful QBs who have benefited from lots of starting experience in college. One played in Super Bowl. Point: The NFL Network site compared Nix to Tony Romo. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/bo-nix/32004e49-5811-8212-6abe-fc1a8b4f4942 QUESTION: Would you pull the trigger at 33 and take a WR at 39? I need the truth. We will call drafting Nix a "code red." Would you order the code red?

It is an acronym and very difficult to pronounce. *Just kidding. I hated to put it because I only watch ESPN when the NFL Network is not interesting--and I have some strong reservations about the NFL Network. Still, they do have so called "experts" and this is based on what they were saying, but not the essence of the point.

The end to my post: " (Hypothetically speaking here--could be less, and probably will be). " So I agree--it never works out like that, which is why I was very clear to state the source of my lists and provide this disclaimer. I would state, however, that a team with WR as the #1 need will likely grab a WR if a solid WR is available. If a lesser need is a better value, you have to weigh the overall impact. I think I make it clear that the list was based on teams that have WR listed at their #1 need and provide the site, then mention the number of teams that have WR listed as the #2 need. We have 2 LBs who are going to be 30 (Shaq and Jewell). We have a GM who gets the importance of an ILB--based on the information you provide, LB could be as big a need as C, WR, and CB-- I am not sold that they spent $160m on Guards and will go into the season with Corbett and Mays at C. I am like you--I take a C if one is there. Long term, great pick. Short term? Maybe a great immediate pick. To your bigger point: I agree--BPA. We have so many needs.

I am going out on a limb here....First round teams that are likely to select a WR: Arizona Baltimore Buffalo Cleveland Kansas City LA Chargers N Y Giants WR is believed to be their #1 need. WR is also the Panthers' #1 Need--so if we take a WR at #33, it is possible that we are spending our first and most valuable draft pick on the ninth best WR. Yikes. That means WR is the #1 need for 8 teams, according to Mock Draft Database. Another 9 teams have WR listed as their second need, so if we don't take the ninth best WR (hypothetically) at 33 or 36, we could be taking the 18th best WR at pick #65. That means that during the first 64 picks, 17 Wide Receivers will be chosen or considered carefully. (Hypothetically speaking here--could be less, and probably will be).

That is something I did not know--and I can say that the Panthers are targeting Peyton Wilson with confidence---He processes the plays more quickly. If Bo Nix drops to 39, do you take him? It would screw us up on paper, but not having all eggs in one basket at QB might be smarter than having depth at CB or LB. Screw hurting anyone's feelings--he would be a good value and give you a backup (on way or another). He is about 18 months older than Bryce, fwiw. I see Denver making a play for Nix, but maybe moving up in round 2--but they do not have a second rounder, so it could get interesting. I figured Penix (with his injury history) would fall as well, and I think the Raiders are going to go after him.

In my view, there are not many ILBs in this draft. We know that we need an impact player at WR---after that, I am not sure what our biggest need is--TE? C? LB? CB? After adding 3 Edge players in free agency, I do not see us adding another. Not really sure about DL. Does the new kickoff rule impact anything? This is very difficult

I am with you on this. If we trade back to about 45-50, sounds more appealing, of course, but I think Morgan is salivating over this guy--just a hunch (Maybe I am getting Luke and Dan confused, but either way...)

I hear ya, but injury history has to factor into the "best player" equation. In other words, if he and Edge Cooper (Tex AM) were equal in every way, I would go with Edge--he would be the "best" player. I can say that after Wilson, the quality of play drops off quite a bit--if all players are healthy. I think we'd take Edge and Colson from Michigan if we had too--Gray (UNC) is more of a WLB--and he is probably on the table too.

First off, good thread topic. He has had 2 ACL injuries and I think he has had something with his shoulder, based on the brace he wears. having said that, I know of an NFL LB that once had 3 ACL injuries and I wanted to cut him. I think his name was Davis. Morgan has made comments about him and I expect him to be there at 39. I would say there is a good chance that he is a Panther. Dan wants an intelligent Alpha in the middle and the Panthers have a long tradition of ILBs. Luke and Dan were probably our best and they were QBs on defense. Beason was too little, Mills was too little--both turned out to be studs. Jewell and thompson are nearly 30. We don't have a lot behind them. I expect the pick to be Wilson if he is there at 39. I have spoken.

I see MoConkey as a guy who will give you 10 seasons as a solid WR and he is the most least likely to bust. I see many of the others on more of the "Boom or Bust" spectrum. For this reason, give me McConkey.

First off, thanks for doing this poll. I appreciate people who are willing to stimulate conversations as I appreciate those who can respond to varying opinions without sarcasm and unsupported proclamations. I want to break down this post because you bring forward an interesting list: First, I agree that it is not a given that we take a WR at 33. It is perhaps our biggest need, but that does not mean that it should be our first pick. For example, I really like Cooper DeJean-the sure tackling, versatile DB from Iowa. He could backup CB and S, perhaps moving to the nickel or dime back role....With Horn's injury history and our lack of depth at CB, I see him being on the field a lot--I am not sure he will be there... EDGE: We have already added 3 Edge players (Wonnum, Chaisson, and Clowney) to go with Barno, Leota, and Johnson. I am not sure that we go Edge at 33 based on what I expect to be there. I am not sure that they see that as a need. DB: CB is definitely a need, and if a solid CB is on the board at 33, he should be considered. DL: I am not sure what they want to upgrade, but the DT spot could use some depth, as could the DE position. Since both are depth, I doubt that we take one at 33. OL: We have a starting five, but I am still not sure if they like the Center situation or they are not showing their cards. To me, there are 2 centers who could help us and if they fall, they would be worthy of the pick at 33: Barton (Duke) and Powers-Johnson (Oregon). I do not think Frazier (WVU) is a good fit for our system and I thing Georgia's Van Pran is a third rounder. We have solid depth at T and G, but we could add a tackle later. LB: You did not mention LB, but we have Jewell and Thompson, both about 30, as the starters at the ILB positions. Morgan knows how important it is to have a DAWG at ILB. I think we will draft an ILB with the pick 33 or 39--but we could probably get one if we have a 5-10 spot trade back. I think Morgan likes NC State's Payton Wilson or Edge Cooper in round 2, and I think we go with one of them. If not, in the third, we will be forced to take Michigan's Colson or Clemson's Trotter, but both are lesser players than Wilson or Cooper. If we had a chance to get a top CB at #33 and a top ILB at #39, it is POSSIBLE that the Panthers don't take a WR until 65--the draft is rather deep.

Can't figure out where these billionaires got the idea that the common worker should pay their taxes and expenses.

I agree. Personally, I think the first pick will go towards a WR that falls and I think the second pick goes towards a.....ILB. I think they want Edgerin Cooper or Payton Wilson--whose injury history scares me. I think Dan knows that this franchise has been successful when a stud MLB was in place. Mills, Beason, Morgan, Luke--Morgan knows the value of a ILB and we have little depth there. Next year, Shaq is likely gone.

They are also speculating that New England has so many needs, they will trade back for more picks with #3 overall--likely the Maye pick. I just don't see how any team picking third in this draft walks away without a top QB.

Dang this is a tough crowd. "You know, if you had invested that $250 in Apple in 1989, you'd own the Panthers right now." Anybody know the odds against Houston last year?