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Personally, I think this trade deal may have backfired big time on the Eagles. If they keep Wentz, they have a controversy. Wentz knows he was shopped and QB-desperate teams did not see him as elite. The team rallies around Hurts now. Wentz cannot be easily traded (contract, 2020 performance)--so the Eagles may have a cancerous situation on their hands. Wentz is not a really good fit in Chicago, and I see him in Indy blue--but not Bear navy. People are going to walk away from Philly and their bluff, and soon they will lose interest in the Houston fold. Both teams do not want to enter 2021 with a disgruntled QB situation--and both teams, imo, caused it. I have no idea how this will turn out, but Wentz and his contract might be all he is worth. Throw in a second rounder if it makes you feel better about losing your franchise QB. Houston, however, probably thinks this storm will blow over and they will draft his supporting cast and there will be smiles all around. Or this could be part of their plan--opposite of the Eagle strategy. We'll see.

Unless Cam was just healing/overcoming the surgery, I do not want him. He was throwing balls into the dirt. That suggests he is having some weakness in his range of motion/delivery. He looked like he was throwing a medicine ball at times. I met Cam--loved him. he signed my son's Cam jersey--but when I suggested that he might be done (and I always blamed Rivera and Hurney for his short career, been saying it since 2012), people called me racist. Nothing to do with race. Wentz has more upside, and that is only because he is younger and has not taken the beating Cam takes. We may have seen the end of Cam already, but if he is signed, he will not start. Wentz will probably be given the starting gig.

CONWAY, S.C. – The 2020 football season was a historical one for the Coastal Carolina football program and it was capped off with a final national ranking of No. 14 overall in both the final Associated Press Top 25 Poll and Amway Coaches Top 25 Poll presented by USA Today Sports, it was announced today.Jan 12, 2021

This.

At this point, I do not know how you keep him. He is struggling, the team is behind his backup, and he might just be the backup. I think he goes to Indy for a first rounder and maybe a fifth rounder later.

The reduced cap is going to hurt some feelings in free agency. I think there could be some cheap value at the end of free agency--we should sit back and bargain shop during week 2 of free agency.

If Person is correct, and it is more common knowledge/sense than insider info, then we are probably going to draft a QB, LT, CB early.

It will be interesting. If you can get a good talent on a third round contract for four years, is he worth 10 times that amount? I do not think he will get more than about $5-6m. We probably lowballed him, saving the $$ for Moton. We will see.

Curtis elected to hit free agency--bet it does not work out for him. Miller should be our second highest priority re-signing, along with Obada and Scott.

When Person recently reported that there was a 30% chance to re-sign Moton, I called BS on him because I know Observer folks who know him--and they told me he was a joke. So remember that when you post stuff from him-the team does not tell him stuff--he has no connections. He has hair gel for middle aged men. It is called Axed. Be careful. Person says what gets him clicks.

I was there too--remember those souvenir tickets in plexiglass that they gave out? Remember people wearing tuxedos? Remember Cleveland handing us about a 40 point loss to a standing ovation?

Not sure about the timeline, but at this point last year, were we (Huddle) not looking for #1 rounder for Cam? There is time, but moving Wentz after June 1 makes more sense than now, if only looking at the cap figure---as best I can interpret it.

it is. For Wilson:

I have heard that for 2 years now. Not sure they know what they are doing

Nope. This ain't the NBA.

He played pretty well in LV, but if the Raiders thought they had something there, they would be trading Carr now. I do not see it.

Are you referring to Jake Delhomme or Teddy Bridgewater? I am trying to think.

I think Rhule and Carroll are the same basic coach as well--but that is just recent.

When Cam was injured here and we were all having constructive, objective, completely unemotional discussions on his future, I was in the "Cam has been rode hard" camp, and questioned his longevity due to the amount of a beating he had taken--Cam had been hit twice as many times more than any other active QB. #2 was Wilson. While he has not absorbed the direct hits Cam has, he is much smaller. I also think that he is a bit of a narcissist and his best days are behind him. Having said that, he could play another 5 years--and would be a nice acquisition--but I do not see it.

Nail on head--that contract is the reason the picks are not the issue--they seek to dump the contract, and the dead cap is tremendously different in a post-June 1 trade, if I am reading OTC correctly. So Philly is in a bit of a bind. I am not smart enough to figure out what might be the issue here, but can the agree to trade a player June 2 NOW? Cap savings post June 1 trade is over $25m. Before June 1, the cap savings for a trade is listed at $850,000. I do not get it, but that has to be a factor at some point. Maybe someone who understands this better than I do can explain what might be going on--if I am reading this right.

In fairness, I am probably the worst evaluator of QB talent ever. But if you compare the group now to this group now--no doubt. A year with a normal football schedule will help the 2022 group. What would you have said about Burrow in 2019, for example? It is like comparing a rose to a bulb yet to bloom--a star to a sun---a tadpole to the mighty bullfrog---a--Ok, I am back! Seriously, I agree with you, but I like to challenge conventional wisdom and take a look from a different perspective.

I see Rattler and Howell--right now--getting drafted before Lance and Fields--and I may be exaggerating a small bit--but there is some paralleling between 2021 picks 2-4 and 2022 picks 1-3. It was a bad year to show your skill set. I do see a full season in 2021 producing another elite QB or two. Waiting another year to see if this happens or that happens is not an aggressive approach. I hope we do something now, just without selling the farm to buy a prize cow.

I thought the 2022 QB class was limited as well but a few 2021 possibles are returning, and if they develop, this could be a better class than in 2021. Let's face it, in 2021 we have 4 QBs and some other question marks. In 2022, I see 4 top QBs, but none with Trevor's skill set, but the top 4 in 2022 as it stands now could compete with the 3 other first round QBs, Fields, Lance, and Wilson. I think the following will be first round selections: Spencer Rattler Oklahoma Sam Howell North Carolina Jayden Daniels Arizona State Kedon Slovis Southern California JT Daniels Georgia Tyler Shough Oregon These 3 QBs have potential, and they could rise with a good 2021 season: Desmond Ridder Cincinnati Brock Purdy Iowa State Tanner Morgan, Minnesota So I see 2022 as a good year for QBs, but they are different animals-not all fit all systems. I would say the depth is going to be better, but the star quality is a bit underwhelming at this time.

Dolphins may be too pricey--what a lucky deal that was, to get Houston's pick--and Cincy may not budge. Dare we trade with Atlanta? They are unlikely to agree to a deal that would send a top QB to a rival. So that leaves Philly, and they may be the best trade partner, if you do not think a team like Dallas (rumors) or Denver or SF, or NE---will offer them more. In fact, there is no indication that Detroit is sold on Goff. So for us to have a winning culture, we win a meaningless game and miss out on what might be the best QB draft in years. Stupid, if you ask me. The best move is to bring in a veteran like Trubiski or trade for Minshew, trade back in the first, and build capital for 2022. If the QB does the job, great. If not, you stand a better chance of grabbing your franchise in 2022 than in 2021. It just seems to me that beating Washington cost us a first round draft pick---in 2022--because I see few scenarios where that pick is not part of a package. That is what this winning culture in a meaningless game cost us. Still mad at the chest pounding stupidity. There was nothing wrong with getting a long look at Grier in that game-trying to win. Nothing wrong with playing your rookie CBs. Not us. We gotta hang that 5-11 banner.

I am thinking this may boil down to Watkins, and I am not sure that is even an option or will be one we can afford, moving up in the draft, or gambling on a player like Trubiski or Mishew. People here are screaming for Watson, but the cost will make it nearly impossible to build around him. We will have a flashy, entertaining QB who gets sacked a lot, has no defense, or has no weapons--you cannot have it all. Familiar territory for us. Gardner Minshew on a good team would be good. Trading for him (a player, preferably (they need a DT, TE, and OT) would be ideal, but they have 2 first rounders in 2021. However, Minshew should not draw top QB attention, even though he quietly had good numbers in Jax. So a player, maybe someone like Thompson (or tag and trade Moton if he does not want to be here after 1 year), and maybe a future third rounder. Then you can use your first rounder to trade back for a future first rounder, acquiring the ability (along with Detroit) to move up in the 2022 draft for a QB. I am not sure there are any real solutions that do not require us trading away draft picks. And yes, I am pissed to be a fan of this "winning culture" that does not routinely win.