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If the draft goes: 1. Trevor 2. Wilson 3. Sewell 4. Chase 5. Sewell 6. Fields 7. Lance Do you take Jones? I think he likes a certain style (pocket presence) and was raised learning to play QB that way--so I am sure there is bias there, but it is not overtly racial. Based on what he says, I can say that I would put Lance before Fields because he expressed some serious concerns about Fields--while he did not say much negative about Lance--except it was a play option, one read offense. College coaches have systems that does not require a lot of reading for the QB; the coaches do not like giving that much autonomy to the 20-year old player. It is hard to invest in a top draft pick if they have no tape or film of going through the progressions--Clemson (Watson, Lawrence) gives the QB the responsibility of going through progressions. They will continue to put QBs in the NFL---the mind is a lot faster than legs, so the ability to process is very much valued in the NFL, and only players who have tape from systems that gave them that opportunity. So the bias, then, might be on the college level more than the NFL scouting level. If Watson and Lawrence have 3 years of processing through check downs, etc, they are certainly going to be ahead of the current batch of college programs that do not require it. Having said that, if your college qb runs a play action, one read, and the read is covered, he needs to be a runner, so a lot of the highly recruited qbs have running ability---and Simms does not seem to see that as an asset. I am speculating, but that is how it seems to me.

I wonder if all the inconsistent interpretations will result in the Panthers sitting still at #8 and making a move then and forget all this "3 first round picks, 2 defensive studs, and a CMC in a pear tree" talk.

That has been their MOs. Hard to argue against that.

They may get some interest, but part of me wonders if this is going to be like ice fly fishing.

I do not take you literally or seriously. You amuse me.

You be careful or MOM (upside down) will come back at you with the lesser of two evils and attack you with his rapping wit.

I would (and posted this a few days ago) take him on day 3 and have him work on fundamentals and watch for a season--run some scout team with an NFL coach.

But what if his own decision is to follow public opinion? This is so confusing! No, good point. Public opinion is based on pure emotion and familiarity.

I am not sure what he sees there.

Trevor and Jacksonville 4 picks in the first 46 or so in the Draft $82m in cap room. So while you are right, some smart moves could change a lot. They could seriously add 9-11 new starters this offseason.

That was the first thought I had--but I will tell you---I am now going to go back and read up on Mond-Fields had a great OL--i see three draft picks in this year's draft--so I want to see if Mond's issues are based on supporting cast. I

Nice post. it is fun to make points, but when a Huddler makes a bold statement like "You are wrong and I am so very right." about a future that includes a transition from college to the NFL-- I laugh because it is a blatant bluff--bravado--chest pounding. What you say about Mond is spot on---he needs time, but the skill set is there. I am not sure that his skill set exceeds Fields or Lance, but my inability to see it does not make it wrong.

we know.

Read up on Jones---and Chris Simms, who has been spot on (Thanks Ricky Spanish) for the past few years, likes Jones. I dismissed Jones--put him in the Trask category--but I started reading up. I am on board now. Mariotta could be special in the right system--do not think he has been in the right system. I am not sold on any USC qb--ever, so I am biased against Darnold.

You are just a poster that provides me with comedy relief from my interactions with the serious posters who are not full of poo. Thanks for the chuckles.

His arm is not elite, but his intelligence (anticipation) and his release are elite. That is how you average 350 yards per game and nearly 80% completion rate with an average to above average arm--which is a realistic assessment. 42 TDs and 4 interceptions. If the ball was in the air that much, why did the defense not get to it? Jones gets criticized for his arm strength because his release is so smooth and quick and he often takes something off the ball because timing is important. Just like guys with 4.3 speed do not run 4.3 on the field--so much of the game is timing and finesse. Jones is the third or even fourth QB in this draft, and he will be good with protection.

Yes it is---same page, brother.

That is why they say, "ignorance is bliss." It takes some degree of intelligence to realize when you are being stupid. It also takes some degree of humility to give others power over something you own. It is Tepper's car, and although all the passengers are sober and skilled drivers and Tepper is drunk and unskilled, he refuses to surrender his keys. (metaphor applicable only if this is they case).

I had the same thought. In addition, they have 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders (4 picks in the top 46 picks) this year and a ton of cap room ($80m). Is Urban Meyer the luckiest man on earth? Opportunity sure seems to fall in his path. There is some talk that Urban Meyer may want his college QB Alex Smith as a backup to Lawrence---if so, the door opens for Minshew.

My #1 preference.

I was not high on jones a few weeks ago, and i am still skeptical, but you are right--we need to take Jones + a T and use free agency to upgrade the OL at G (and resign Moton. I had an OL coach from the Univ of So Carolina talk (back when Charlie Strong was the DC) to me during a coaching conference at Myrtle beach several years ago and I never forgot 1 comment. "You can hide 1 bad OL, but you cannot hide 2." For years I wondered exactly what he meant, so I assume that he means you can call plays away from the bad OL in critical situations, you can help with a FB or TE, etc. Having said that, we had 2 bad OL last year on the left side-but we were better when Okung was in the game. Reed was terrible--giving up A gap--etc.

At least I did not accuse Winston of "rapping" women and suggest signing Sam Donaldson. And if the saying does not fit the situation, don't use it. Because a "stitch in time saves nine," right? In other words, it makes no sense. Building an offensive line is not that easy to do, but to mock others after your display of intellectual wizardry is probably not your best move here. Let me take you to school a bit here-- First of all, an OL is not an impossible task. It can be done. Building the OL vs. giving away 3 first rounders and 2 defensive studs or CMC and eating the entire cap is probably not the best way to build anything. Why does the mobile Russell Wilson want out of Seattle? No OL. Watson wants out of Houston for generally the same reason, but he did not throw his teammates under the bus. So the argument, "Since there is no way in hell you can have a good OL, get a QB who can run for his life" is not sound. Yes, you can build a strong OL if you have 3 first rounders and some cap room and you do not need to address 2 holes on defense. So don't hand me your assumptions and self-serving nonsense as facts- You draft a LT, put Daley at LG and draft or sign one later, you sign a RG and you re-sign Moton. Did you know that most of the problems we had on the OL last year was due to the exploitation of 2 positions? (LT and LG). Fix that, add a TE, and yes, a smart, non mobile QB can be successful here. Did you watch the Super Bowl or the 6 others Brady won? Did you see Peyton and Eli win rings? It can be done--if the qb is smart and can make quick decisions. So please do not try to rap me with your intellect, Sam Donaldson.

Oh yeah, Gillespie was a surprise. Davis was my big takeaway--he runs a bit small (225) but he sold me on all these players. If we trade Shaq, we could be in the market for 2 LBs this year.

Nice find, Ricky. I really like Jamin at LB and there are some WR slot options that make me feel OK about moving on from Samuel.

I realize that this is a panel of experts, but who decided that Mac Jones will not be a very good NFL QB? I can name many with his skill set that have rings, mvps, and gold jackets. 77.4% completion, 42 TDs and 4 Ints, and 4500 yards in 13 games--the criticism? He can't run and he had a good WR and good OL. Then get him a good line. Do not insult my intelligence by pretending to know squat. You don't--nor do I. And you title this, "The lesser of 2 evils" and give 5 options. Nice.