MHS831

It sounds as if you are looking for slanted, circumstantial reasons to support a person who might have just beaten a woman. There is reason to question some things at the appropriate time, but these questions need to come from objective thinkers. We all hope he is innocent, but I am not going to support him until I know for a fact what happened. You are presenting one-sided, inferential, insignificant, fragmented details and seem convinced that you have turned the tables. The police? You have not questioned their handling of the situation. Why question her actions during and in the aftermath of the alleged assault when she was high and traumatized? If the police offered her medical attention and she refused, why would they then determine her injuries to be insignificant in terms of assault evidence? The injuries do not have to require medical attention to evidence abuse-according to NC law, that is only required as evidence in child abuse cases. Hardy claims to have been hit with a heel that drew blood. Was he offered medical assistance? Finally, maybe she went to a friend/relative's house and they advised her what to do to protect herself? There is no statute of limitations that invalidates an assault charge a few hours after it occurs. Much will come out. I am not blaming Hardy, the police, or the girl. I am simply not going to build a case for a man just because he plays for my favorite football team. I hope this gets worked out, but for now, I am glad we are not into him for $39-50 million guaranteed.

The judge (according to local newscasts) called the injuries disturbing and expressed concern for her safety. If Hardy called 911 and complained that she used her heel against him etc, why was she not also required to spend 24 hours in jail? The biggest question I have, and this goes along with what WOW was saying, is "Why was the home not checked out by police?" Surely the broken glass and the guns would have been red flags that would have necessitated an arrest. However, many of you who are defending Hardy fail to take into consideration the female voice on the other 911 call, that claimed that she "seen" Hardy hitting her. An eyewitness, bruises, etc. could look bad for him. I am not convicting Hardy, but I am not going to defend a person accused of hitting a woman until I am sure he didn't do it. Maybe some here don't find that to be upsetting, but if she were your sister or mother, I am sure you would feel a bit differently about it.

We know that the judge, a female judge, determined the bruises to be disturbing and put Hardy in jail. I am not trying to convict our top DE, but that means little to me if he was hitting a female. There is evidence that suggests Hardy was not as innocent as he appears on the 911 call.

Based on the 911 call, Hardy seemed a bit slurry in speech, but aware. Funny how people assume that she is guilty because she was drunk/high but give GH, a known lunatic, credit for being sensible and proactive. They are basing that on Hardy's statement to the 911 dispatcher. I do not buy it. However, that is not enough to convict him on either. If Snake is right, if it was just restraint, lets see where those bruises were. I understand bruises above the elbow on the arms. Maybe at the wrists. But if they were around the throat, he has a unique way of dealing with angry women.

There is also another 911 call that has a female voice saying that she saw him beating her. I want to give Hardy the benefit of the doubt, but nobody knows what happened. Sure, Hardy may have restrained her at one point, but he could have thrown her around at another point. Question: Was he retraining her around her neck? If you are saying that she was drunk and high, then I would have to ask, "Where are you getting that information?" Was Hardy drunk and/or high and what does that prove anyway? I hope you are right, Snake. I really do. However, if you are not, I want the truth to be told and the real victim cleared and protected.

I didnt read all 200 posts, but I read some of you sounding relieved, as if the girl was the problem. While that could turn out to be true, Just because Hardy called 911 and told his side of the story to the dispatcher, do not think that is evidence of innocence. It sounds convincing and is good news from that perspective, but the judge saw the bruises and marks on her body. The judge felt that the female was the victim. The legal expert who felt that the girl had been assaulted will not be a petty detail that can easily be overlooked.

We knew.

Good points. Cody Davis is interesting. I had not heard of him. 4.41 is flying for a FS, much like Mitchell. I too have liked the TE from Iowa. Britt is 25 or so, so he is mature. He was pretty solid in college. Coleman may not be a 5th rounder, but in this draft, some talent will fall. That is the reason I think we grab 2 . There is a name I have not seen discussed that I was hoping Zod would mention: Dri Archer--RB/WR/KR, Kent State. (discuss). Solid day 3.

I am interested in James and Hurst. Hurst got hurt in the bowl game (broken leg) and I think he is flying under the radar.

I got on his bandwagon at the combine--where his stock rose. He is a good fit for our system and he is mature (someone said that Gettlemen does not like to draft underclassmen).

Do not underestimate Thomas Davis' role in Klein's (and Kuechly's) development. The guy is a pro.

Just gotta make sure that we do not draft Davis' eventual replacement by selecting a white guy whose last name starts with a "K." That would throw us back 100 50 several years.

Maybe, but many are kids--23-24 years old. IT can wear on you to a point where you start believing it. Heck, during the games, they get pumped when the crowd cheers and bummed when they boo. Human nature. I played in college, and when you win you want to go to class and out to eat,etc. WHen you lose, you order in.

The point I make is aligned with yours--the fans and the media will remember those comments and the player will be reminded of these expectations through twitter, interviews. etc. I understand what he means, but he needs to understand the potential consequences of his illustrations. He called AJ Klein "Luke Kuechly 2.0" or something. This team needs focus--not pressure and distractions.

I got that, but any time you mention another active player's name, you are inviting unfair comparisons.

No, not breaking anything to me, but there are a lot of variables he is in control over that contribute to "luck." And he does what a lot of coaches would do and gets crucified when he fails. However, the Buffalo game should have been a no-brainer simply because if you make it you probably win, if you don't you probably tie (they would played for the safe FG instead of having a rookie QB throwing into the endzone). If Rivera and Bill Billichek or Jim Harbaugh or Tom Coughlin or Mike Sherman or Bill Parcells etc. sat down to play a game of chess, how often would you bet on Rivera? Crazy analogy on the surface, but I want a smart person who takes calculated risks. A person who has seen other strategies before. A person who can adjust. A person who thinks 2 moves ahead. None of those are Ron Rivera, it would seem. I hope he wins 10 games this year and people throw this post in my face. I could live with that.

The thing about Rivera that bothers me is the thing I liked most about him in the beginning--his press conferences. Just this year, he compared AJ Klein to Luke Keuchly. Last week, he likened (indirectly) Sproles to Barner. I hate that he spews statistics such as the team's mathematical method for grading players and does not play the odds during games. If you have an 80% chance to win a game on 4th down, especially if not getting the first down means the other team is likely to play for a tie--you take that chance. Don't sit there and tell me that Hardy had a good game because he was a factor in 1/3.44 plays per game and the norm for DE's is 7.3. If you understand numbers, then play the odds and do the math.

This could be a commitment to Cam. Who on this staff has experience running an offense with a dual-threat QB? And look at this: Seifert from a California team Rivera from a California team Eerie.

Good--Rivera is awesome when he is about to be fired,

Iwill say it: This is a MUST WIN, probably for both teams. We need to run the ball and they are stingy in that area. Barner could play a role. Cam will have 70 yards rushing. Panthers 24-10 I think we have turned the corner, however, Rivera is still the coach. We had a bye, are on the road 2500 miles from home, and the Beason trade could be a distraction. Can he pull the troops together and get them firing on all cylinders? Please.

It will be a classic. Not to worry.

I talked to Beason after he was first moved to OLB a few years ago. He was positive and upbeat. Then he sang Luke's praises and accepted a lesser role. He was with Davis throughout his rehab. Beason will be better in the middle, but I have to wonder how his body has held up through several years of the pounding a MLB gets. I hope he fires that Defense up in NY and takes it to the Saints, Falcons, and Bucs. He will bring them knowledge and leadership.

Now go out and punish the rest of the NFC South when you play them.

Ginn runs about 60% of the route tree, all vertical routes and the comebacks for the most part. He simply was not a good fit with Smith and Moore/Henne before that--the system was part of it, the QB's arm strength was the other. Ginn should never be a #2 because he does not run all of the routes. However, he is awesome as the third or fourth WR.

I have not seen them all, but I can say that they upgraded this year.