MHS831

What was Kalil, 285?

He is on my day 3 short list.

Theory debunked.

Apparently, he was quarantined behind a Krispy Kreme franchise for some time. They still have problems with slobber frothing when he passes red neon signage.

In Super Bowl 38, both teams had a Western Carolina Catamount on their respective rosters (FB Hoover, WR David Patten). So maybe, just maybe....

This is how they have to think--we cannot sell the farm.

Me too. I would not trade #8--Shaq and #40. I do not think there will be as much hype for Stafford as people think--there are potentially 5 NFL starting QBs in the this draft. Then you have players like Trask and Newman, players to sit for a year or two. There will be other players available as well, like Lock, Garoppolo, Darnold, and maybe Carr- And Watson and Stafford. I would low ball the Lions and still look to get a QB--maybe a Newman or Mond--maybe. I am not going to worry--I think they will have a plan, a target, and I think we will get that player.

LB is a need in Detroit. And the fact that they would eat $19m for moving him, we would not be entitled to pay his full salary. His contract goes through 2023, but there is an out after 2021. This article was from November, but it expresses a pessimistic view in Detroit about finding an partner. https://lionswire.usatoday.com/2020/11/10/lions-trading-matthew-stafford-after-2020-scenarios-unlikely-to-happen/

This is Brandt's opinion. He is not asking you to approve the thought, but he is expressing a possible "dark horse" scenario. People who are trying to argue against this---it is not Brandt's decision or recommendation. he is suggesting the #8 pick, but we cannot take on $33m in cap space without letting some big contracts go. KK and a few others are preferably post June 1 cuts, so I think we have to include a player like Shaq (a Lion need is LB). There are options. And there are legitimate concerns here. However, if we can deal Shaq and keep the #8, we can trade that pick back and add some picks--instead of losing picks. Let's say we deal Thompson and the second in 2021 and the second in 2022. If we trade back, we get Stafford and (basicially) 2 second rounders in 2021. We would need to fill the LB position, and probably address LT. We are fine; it basically equates to a deal where we sent Shaq and a 2022 second rounder for Stafford. We would also run the risk of losing Samuel and possibly Moton. I am not sure the Lions would agree to this, but there are ways around it. I just do not get becoming upset about taking on a salary we cannot afford--if we could trade Anderson too (another Lion need) for Stafford, we'd be getting rid of $24m or so in cap room, giving the Lions 2 highly-productive need players...I do not see that as a likely occurrence.

I do not think you can trade draft picks alone for a veteran QB---salary cap. We need to send a player to swap contracts a bit---I say Shaq Thompson has to be on the block. He is not worth $14m--- I would offer Shaq + his salary, a second rounder, and a second rounder in 2022. Then I would move back with the #8 picks for more picks--grab a T and a LB.

Kelce and White

No, I wrote off Trevor Lawrence when I saw the Jags and Jets' rosters. I really cannot decide if I like any of the next 3 QBs in relation to what it will take to get them. Imagine this: Would you give up Burns, Chinn, and Brown for Wilson? That is what 2 #1s and a #2 looks like. We do not think of it that way. It is why you need to build the team first. If you lose the picks, you do not build the team for 2 years, and when the QB wants $35m, you have major needs. I do not think we move up for a QB for this reason. We are long term, whatever that means. But if I am doing it, I know this--I have Bridgewater and I can make him better if I add a LT, G, TE, and defense. I know I have PJ, and I know that I can trade back, add picks, and maybe find the gem of the draft (Russell Wilson, eg) to groom for a season. Is that why we are pumped about the SR Bowl? will that give us an advantage looking at the seniors who may not be day 1 picks? Would it be smarter to trade back and take a LT in round 1, then take Jones or Trask and HOPE Brady will develop him like he did Burrow? Is the difference between Jones and Lance worth a Burns and a Chinn? This will be the most interesting draft I have witnessed. I know that I will be pissed and then warm to the logic---that is what I do.

The thing about the Washington game that bothers me is that it was Rivera causing us to win yet another meaningless game after we are eliminated. He is like Hurney--we just can't seem to get rid of them.

We whooped that WFT!

Even if he is retiring, you do not steal the headlines from the Bucs and Brady's accomplishment. You wait a day or two. It is self-centered assholism.

Good thread--topic with 2 clear sides to debate.

The good news? We can upgrade 3 positions and dramatically improve the offense--- 1. QB 2. TE 3. LT Get CMC back and healthy, add a G in free agency--and the offense is tremendously better.

Not much help this year--his contract was front loaded--next year, he can be cut. By the way, Stafford wanted out of Detroit.

Folks, Stafford is a starting NFL QB who would be worth a first rounder--heck, we are going to use the first rounder on a QB if we do not get him. We know we can get 3 or 4 years out of Stafford; based on the fact that he has not been hit as much. Get Stafford, draft a LT and a TE, and sign a G in free agency--I think that could be instant success. Stafford/Bridgewater/PJ is a good group. Draft a QB in 2022 or 2023. Worth a first rounder.

I do.

There will be suitors for Stafford---not sure we want to get into a bidding war. And I hate to be so negative about someone trying to do his job, but Person seems to speculate a lot. Not someone I see with a lot of inside knowledge, and I have shared (before) how he was viewed at the Observer. While I think this should be a thread because it is out there, I question the source.

THEORY: The NFL was still adjusting to the changes in the college game. Their offenses were not ready for the new QBs college was producing.

DEVIL'S ADVOCATE: If we sign Stafford, trade back for a few picks, address OT, CB, LB, TE---and we get CMC back, and we sign a G-- And Brees has retired, Brady and Ryan not far behind...I would think this could be a situation a vet QB might like. I think we can compete for a playoff spot in 2021.

I am guessing this week's news has changed the Detroit projection.

The Panthers will know the "second tier" QBs after the Senior Bowl. I have to think they will be doing some bottom fishing this week. Brady will be whispering and Rhule will be preaching. They might say, "trade back and take Trask", for example. We have Bridgewater and he should improve with better OL play and maybe a TE and CMC back. So there is a fall back plan--then if Trask (example) does not show much promise, you have extra picks and some cap room in 2022 to meet needs in free agency and package a deal to move up in 2022. Not what I want to happen, but it may be better than diving into the feeding frenzy and taking the 4th best QB in the top 10.