MHS831

Not joking that much: Teddy would have been a great arena league QB. Discuss.

Don't get mad....

Yeah, I have the same concern. Pitts makes the most sense if you think of defensive match ups. I want Sewell or Slater and I am not opposed to trading back for Darrsaw if we can add a CB. I get what a slot does in terms of matchups and keeping an extra DB on the field instead of a LB, but I would not be hurt if the first 3 picks were OL.

The thing that bothered me most about Teddy---he just did not seem to care--or understand the situation. Just making $1.25 million per game to go through the motions. He had the ability--nothing great, but he just did not play like a guy getting a chance to revive his career.

I am getting pumped up. Counting the days.

I REALLY think the Niners are taking Jones. That would be huge. Pitts to Atlanta is the latest rumor. The Bengals will prolly take Chase or Sewell, and the Dolphins may entertain a trade for Lance or Fields. Gonna be crazy if SF goes with Jones and ATL goes Non-qb.

I still think he is a niner with the third pick. Imagine how you'd feel if you were a SF fan.

I hope you are right--I have a feeling, however, that the powers that be are going to want fast and shiny. Brace yourself.

And I agree with you that I want an OT----however, Pitts, Chase, Waddle, and Smith are scary good--I am simply trying to guess what they are thinking--I know what I am thinking--OT.

I heard they were talking about a Mike Ditka for Ricky Williams trade, so I got greedy. Technically, their first second and third is about even.

I get the need for LT---I really do. I want a plug and play LT--but I am trying to figure out what we will do--by reading the coffee grounds (we don't have tea leaves here.) I see, at the bottom of my morning joe--SLOT WR or PItts. What do I want to see? SEWELL.

Sure. I get that 100%. There is no gain without a cost, but my point was simply to have some fun with the fact that there is no real benefit to drafting a top QB right now--with the rumors of the WFT trade up and the Panther connection. I am not sure that we would take Slater over Waddle. I think you (and I have the same issue) are so focused on LT that we are not considering what the tea leaves might be telling us. What did we do to replace Samuel? We did not try to keep him (aggressively, anyway) and we signed a 400 yard (best year) WR from Seattle--that is getting worse at WR, and with 2 WRs who could be free agents in 2022, I think it is a bigger concern than we realize. I am not 100% sure that we are going to prioritize LT like we hoped. Erving can't be the solution, but is he a bridge because we know we are going to grab a developmental T later? They were at the SR bowl, fwiw, and there were quite a few OTs there who are not projected as first rounders. I am never right about these things, but it is fun analyzing them.

Reason? We have a young QB now, and if somehow QBs are on the board when we pick, the offers will roll in. To illustrate this point, I offer the literates amongst us a rather lengthy, introspective dramatization (the rest of you, the ones that used to count the pages in a chapter that was assigned to you to read in school and got that look on your face, the same look you had when Mom served liver, can just wait for the movie, because cow organs and words betray your taste): So we are sitting there watching the draft, adrenaline running through our legs as the Lions select, with the 7th overall pick, "Chris Farley, CB UVa" (They are the Lions for a reason, folks). Now the Panthers are up, you look at your board, and you see Slater and Darrisaw (OTs), Smith and Waddle (WRs) and Fields and Lance (QBs) sitting there. Holy smokes!!! Your first impulse is to RUN to your TV-turned-podium-hand your wife-turned-Roger Goodell your pick, and start hugging the cat-turned-cat. I would say that most of us would have taken a QB there. "You can't have too many QBs, right?" Actually, most teams don't have a QB controversy. The ideal situation is a starter and a competent, supportive backup who understands his role. Competition, like they had in Philadelphia, to some degree, is problematic--if not for the players and coaches, but for the fans. Every interception, every fumble, etc. causes drama. Most coaches have enough pressure as it is, which is why most QB competitions are short lived. The Panthers made the decision to trade for Darnold after doing due diligence. The Darnold we know is the worst of Sam Darnold who had to perform in the worst of conditions on every front--NY Fans, Worst NFL Coach EVER, Terrible line, no weapons you have ever heard of. To me, the move was brilliant. Yes, there is a chance Sam is simply a bust. But look at QBs who struggled early on bad teams and were reborn instantly with a change of some sort---Alex Smith sucked his first few years, Tanneyhill sucked under the same bad coach, etc. We have Brady. So why would you draft a developmental QB and have a competition while you are trying to revitalize Darnold? That makes no damn sense. Two projects are not better than one. No, we made our decision, but it does make sense to add a quality backup QB who can also help Darnold. Trask maybe? A veteran Free Agent? Back to your living room. "The Lions select...Chris Farley, CB, UVa" Your phone Rings. It is Marty Hurney. He wants to make you an offer...2021 first, second, and the 2022 first and third. You remember that we have multiple needs. You consider how awesome we'd be if we just took Waddle. How protected Darnold would be if we drafted Slater. You have just been offered an extra 2nd in 2021 and you have now been reimbursed for the Darnold Trade (and then some) all for moving back 11 spots in the draft. I would love Waddle. I would love Slater. But I see the depth at some positions in this draft and I make this trade. I let Fields go to the WFT and focus on Sam, and I get three picks (2 day 2 picks and a first) to do so.

About the 3T--you are right--I expect a reluctant cut after the draft, etc. We cannot meet all of these needs in one draft---I think we are hoping to address 3 of them, which was exposed a bit (in theory) during the Darnold trade. I think there is something to analyzing the layout of the draft, looking at what we have done in free agency, and using some common sense to figure out the strategy. I think the first round weapons are making Fitterer salivate--Pitts, Waddle, Smith, and Chase. I think we get one of them. I want a T, but they probably see what a third weapon does for the passing game--matchups, etc. My guess is that they see OT being very deep, so they will go weapon/OL in rounds one and two. So we have signed Melvin and Bouye--experienced, one-year plugs at CB and we have Jackson. It sure looks as though we are preparing for life without a drafted QB. Meanwhile, we can expect YGM to step up, Reddick, Burns, and maybe Fox to pressure the QB. That is what we hope to do on defense. It is my opinion that we intend to find an impact weapon in round 1, an OT in round 2, and maybe an IOL or QB in round 3. CB? maybe, but a 3rd round CB is a project. QB? If Mond or Mills or Trask is sitting there, I think we have to take him.

Yeah, it is under the "2021 NFL Draft" Heading. We do appreciate the enthusiasm and sharing of your perspectives. You demonstrate a fraction of all the ways this thing could play out. I am worse about the draft than I was as a child before Christmas.

We have 4 games against the NFC east. That's 5 wins right there.

Told y'all. I dwell on the edge.

I knew this thread would get you going....

I think they are going to make sure we drastically upgrade slot or TE this draft. I think the first round pick could be TE, slot WR, LT, or CB if we trade back.,

I am going to go out on a limb here because I live on the edge. A risk taker--man on a mission, etc. My friends call me, "that guy," if that means anything to you people..........That's what I thought. Jones WILL go to SF at #3. Book it. The #4 spot, whether it is Atlanta or another team after a trade, could go to a NON QB player. Sewell or Chase, if a non QB---a trade between Denver (not WFT or NE) and Atlanta is the only way Fields goes at #4. (That is a pretty bold, specific prediction. MARK MY WORDS!!! Watch Mond and the Patriots--he could not only sneak into the first round, he could go before Lance. Everyone is expecting New England to trade up, and they might, but they could move up to Detroit or Dallas and take Mond. Washington will be aggressive and end up with Lance. Maybe with a trade with the Lions or Panthers--- So when the chips start falling and the desperate teams start moving in for a QB, the Panthers' front office is going to look pretty smart. Imagine that 5 QBs go before the Panthers? Six? Let's take a look at how that could go down--think desperate GM here-Washington, Denver, New England come to mind. 1. Jax Could they take Wilson? Nah. Lawrence QB 2. Jets Wilson QB 3. Niners--I am still convinced that Jones is their guy. Jones QB 4. Denver (trade with Atlanta) Fields, QB 5. Cincinnati Sewell or Chase--probably Sewell LT 6. Dolphins Chase WR 7. Lions (Trade with New England) SHOCKER!!! MHS HAS Cahunas! Mond, QB 8. WFT (trade with Panthers) Lance, QB 9. Atlanta (from Denver) Pitts TE 10 Cowboys Kwity Paye, DE 11. giants Surtain CB 12. Eagles Parsons LB 13. Chargers Darrisaw LT 14. Vikings Slater T/G 15. Detroit (from New England--Not sure Waddle lasts this long) Waddle WR 16. Cardinals Horn, CB 17. Raiders Smith WR 18. Dolphins Barmore DT 19. Panthers, (2021 first, 2021 second, with a 2022 first and second rounder for Pick #8) Caleb Farley, CB Just a hunch that this could go down. Marty likes to deal with people he knows, and RR and Snyder will be frothing for a QB... Panthers have 2 picks in second round. OT and DT. Tampa Bay may draft Mills, QB Stanford.

Remember, he called a fullback dive on 4th and 1 to Armah with the game on the line. (no point, just to stir things up).

That is the way I see it....You?

Of course there will be disagreement, and when some Huddlers disagree with me, it strengthens my confidence in the stability of my points. Others make me question my thinking and consider alternative ideas. I prefer these posters, but this thread welcomes all, so I color coded it. At any rate, I digress. This chart may be missing a name or two--I omitted people I did not think had a chance to make the roster, and of course, there will be draft picks etc. to knock some out, but this is where we are in my mind. Red: These are areas of concern for me, even if we addressed them in free agency. Orange: These areas scare me, and I would not be surprised to see a player added here. Blue: I think we are OK to maybe better than OK in this area, depending on who shows up. Green: Forget about needing help THIS year in this area. However, later in the draft, developmental prospects might be needed. (Players named in parentheses are depth but this may not be their primary position, so they appear beneath another position) Specific Comments: OLB vs. 3-4 rush OLB vs. DE---gets confusing so I tried to break them down as best I could. QB: I am of the mindset that you have to give Darnold a chance with coaching, blocking, and weaponry. So he is average for now. LT and LG: We signed 2 players early, and I am not sure that they are more than insurance, but we signed them for 2, 3 year deals and for $$$. Confusing, but I think they are still below average. TE: Might be average. If Arnold has a good year, Thomas is decent depth, and I think Sullivan is going to make the roster and contribute. DT (3 Tech): We have nobody to put there. CB: I am scared. Very scared. S: How is this not more of a focal point? Slot WR: I understand the Waddle love now. How awesome would we be? Once again, sticking my neck out by sharing. It just helped me see the big picture, so I thought you might like to see it as well. Enjoy.

The thing you have to consider is not only "do you want the player?" or not, but "what are you actually surrendering to take the player?" So the question is, "Do you take Lance or Fields knowing that they will take over for Darnold within a year? If so, you lose Darnold and the picks we gave up for 1 year of service. If we offer him the fifth year, then that is an expensive reserve or cut for a season. You also give up Slater or Pitts or Waddle in round 1. That means you HAVE to draft a LT or CB of lesser value in rounds 2 and 3. So taking a QB in round 1 is more of a gamble than you think. Which brings me to Mond and Mills. In 1 year's time, is it possible that either would be ready to start in the NFL? What if you have red flags with Fields and Lance--use them to trade back a few spots, and use that pick to draft Mills, for example. Less pressure to start the first round QB, still developing that QB for 2022, and you have a backup plan if Darnold suck arse. Mills was criticized for declaring for the draft--saying he would have been a top QB in the 2022 draft. So grab him now. Of course, if either QB is there and we don't take him, it will become a historically-preserved chink in Fetterer's armor. I think, personally, there is a very slim chance Fields falls to us, and odds are against Lance. There is probably a 50% chance Jones is there.