MHS831

Aren't these unsupported opinions of yours that you are making to support an assumption? This game is about match ups--putting your strengths against their weaknesses. So if you have CMC, Marshall, Moore, Anderson, Arnold and Smith in pass formations and bring in Stevens, a 6-5, 235 4.49 QB--how are you matching up with that? 5 skill players that can catch and run sub 4.5 40s. A QB who can run a 4.5 or throw it 65 yards. The defense would have to have 4 DL and 1 LB to stop it. So is your LB, if he is not blocked, good enough to stop Stevens? Are your DBs? That is the move. Stupid, right?

Are you making the argument that we will pay Stevens $12m? It means that he has that much value to the Saints--not the Panthers. Stevens will make under $1m. So what is your point?

Yes, and they felt they could convert him to a TE--maybe replace Hill and his contract, but that did not happen and they could not keep him. We want him to be a player like Hill--not a pure TE, and both are listed as #3 QBs. Obviously Brady loved his athleticism and Hill has value if used correctly--they just did not need 2 Hills in the big easy. We had no Hills, now we have a Hill. At the very least he helps us prepare for New Orleans twice a year, but I sense he will have an expanding role like Hill does. (Hill makes about $12m this year---who cares about the #3 QB?)

Would you say the same for Hill? I would. Is he a special teamer? And even if you are right--is Will Grier a better QB than Stevens? Does Will Grier play special teams? This has gone full circle now---

You are the only person saying that. The Saints had a player who can do what Stevens can do, so they tried him as a pure TE and drafted him because they knew we were going to sign him--gave up a sixth rounder. We like athletes, and we are going to use him like the saints use Hill---The Saints already had a Hill, so it would be stupid to keep him and have 2 Hills--so their plans for him were different that ours will be simply because we will use him like Hill--this is not hard.

If you don't want to talk about the #3 QB, WHY DID YOU CLICK ON THE THREAD THAT CLEARLY DESCRIBES THE TOPIC AS THE #3 QB?

Gingervitas. LOL. Maybe we should add freckles to the bear so we don't offend anyone.

Thanks bro. I like to hear opposite opinions because we all get trapped by our own perspectives--love the arguments--they really make you smarter if your mind is open. And we all know who the turds are and we try not to step in one. I sometimes throw stuff out that I sorta doubt myself just to get a reaction--to convince me. The bottom of the roster is important, and some of these folks do not get that the players we keep there are indicators of what we are going to do. So I love the bubble drama this time of year. Some people argue well, and I still do not agree with them, but I admire their justification of their perspective. We all cherry pick data to support our positions--the people I despise are those who simply make a statement like "he's trash" without any reasons provided. I do not give a poo about someone's opinion, unless they can support it. If they cant, I assume they are limited or their middle school teacher told them computer time is over.

So you are saying that if you were a Saints fan, you would not care who Taysom Hill is? Am I understanding you correctly? And name a 6-5, 235 lb 4.49 guy we have that can throw passes 65 yards. If we have those guys on the roster, I will apologize.

x clown That pass Jake threw to Proehl (I think) to come from behind vs the Jags when he came in for Peete. Kris Jenkins blocked what would be the winning extra point at the end of the game vs Tampa Bay one year and sent the game to overtime--we won it. Deshaun Foster's 1-yard run vs Philly in the NFC championship game Moose's long TD reception in super bowl 38. Sam Mills interception that led to the first team victory vs the Jets (I think).

If we lose 8 games this season, yes.

Which is why we may as well have a dual threat QB who can serve in other ways. At least we are getting something out the roster spot that we are reserving to lose games should our QB1 go down.

Umm, I think Brady was with Penn State when Stevens was there before transferring to Miss St--then Brady was with New Orleans when Stevens was there. This is getting deep. Do we have a pattern here?

Just try to throw some topics out there to get us through May and June. Proved to be too much for Trainwreck to handle, bless his heart.

There were times when Smitty was not ranked high, but he was the only real option most of the time except for TE--DJ and Anderson and Samuel...

It is murky at best. I think we need a real #2, and if Stevens were to win that job, forget the whole idea. I mean, I hate to compare him to Taysom Hill, but he started and won a game or two--and they are very similar players in terms of skill set. Hill ran a 4.44 to Stevens 4.49, but Hill is 6-2, 225, Stevens 6-5 235. The big question: Is Stevens good enough to be the third QB? Then ask, can he be the #3 QB and play gunner, TE, wildcat, etc.? If so, our offense and special teams could be better--- or we could keep Will Grier in case we lose 2 QBs....

He may not--I was just wondering about the Sullivan signing-it allows them to keep a TE on the PS that could be elevated at any time. And you are right about playing multiple positions/serving multiple roles--every new spot brings a new playbook with it, to a degree. I just see the TE position being quietly made effective in the offseason using second hand parts, so to speak. I think it could be the single biggest position upgrade on the offense--based on the vanilla, non-threatening mess we saw last year.

I heard that before and argued against it (with a guy who used to play in the NFL--just not OL) and he proved me wrong. I remember being surprised. He added that by the end of the season, they are playing hurt in a lot of cases. Why 17 games is so critically important. swapping a preseason game (which is like a glorified practice) for a game is bad. He thinks they should play no more than 15 games.

Unzip, zip. good job.

I have seen him do well at times, but he lacks the heart and the mind. This may sound petty, but I checked out his twitter the other day, and there were things from Ole Miss and his high school---one clip from the Panthers where he made a good block on a screen--he is not living, breathing, eating Panther football--in my limited opinion.

Good point.... the 2 players from free agency play 5 and 3 positions respectively. Christensen is going to settle at LG, but they tried him at C in camp, as well as G and T. Not ruled out as a LT, but likely a decent T, really good G. Moore (G, C) can play if he develops, and I think Brown can play both G spots. Elflein can play C. Daley is versatile and so is Scott, a player I really like. Here is why have versatile depth as a backup is important--remember when Gross went down several years ago and we moved LG Wharton to LT? That looks good on paper, but you just got weaker a 2 positions instead of only 1. Defensive coordinators will attack your weaknesses. And what I learned as a line coach in high school---where the DCs are far less aware---is that you can't "hide" 2 weak OL. You can get away with one, but not more than that. It makes sense.

Because if you had vision, you could see the possibilities and how this player could open up the offense. But since you don't see how a 6-5 235 lb swiss army knife might help the offense, you could sit by your computer and try to derail threads. In fact, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from talking about this JAG and let some others share thoughts--assuming that is what you were trying to do.

I suppose if I had to narrow down the Panthers to the most versatile players, my list would look something like: Chinn--SS, FS, LB Hartsfield SS, Nickel, CB Erving T, G, C Tremble TE, Hback, Fback Marshall slot, X, Z Stevens QB, Hback, wildcat, TE, flanker, etc. ??? Versatile players save roster spots and enhance depth. A roster is 53/55 players, and not all dress on game day. a third QB holding in clip board and cracking one liners during time out huddles on the sideline is a waste of a roster spot. So when you consider how we could use Stevens (Taysom Hill) to enhance the offense and still have a #3 QB, the word versatility adds a roster spot. I think this impacts the decisions we will made at TE more than QB. I think Arnold and Tremble are locks, and I also think Ian Thomas and maybe Colin Thompson are liabilities that will be cut. Sullivan can go to the PS and learn while this "experiment" unfolds. Think Arnold as the starter, but then think about the TE situation after that. How are we a bigger threat with a 3rd round TE and 7th round backup QB in a way we are not a threat with Ian and Colin? We have discussed how Tremble will help--lead blocker hback, fullback, etc. A thumper in the backfield. Stevens, in that same position, turns the Hback, fullback, wildcat into a passing/running threat. So essentially, he is as good as most 3rd string QBs because he is dual threat, but he is making the TE position 3-dimensional. Arnold the receiving threat, Tremble the blocking threat, and Stevens, the passing/running threat. Do we need Grier now? Would Stevens actually save us a roster spot, allowing us to carry 2 TEs? Since some of you are unfamiliar with his skill set, I have included some moving pictures from Miss St. He tells the story of how Payton's ego sent him to New Orleans at the cost of a sixth rounder, only to be given some development and sent to free agency for the Panthers. https://youtu.be/DtX-valcSJg

How long are these supposed to last?