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We all knew this when we were discussing getting rid of Burns--and I agree with that decision based on the variables (cost mainly, but Brown has to be the priority) Instead of paying some mediocre has been $ to come here and get 6 sacks, I would rather play the youngsters. With Burns, Haynes, and YGM on the field, we did not get to see much of Barno, Johnson, and Leota. We have had a few DEs who were very good (Charles Johnson, Greg Hardy) who did little until year 3. Add a situational edge and lets start building instead of being a pit stop on the way to Shady Acres.

At the end of the day, it is what it is, you know. (John Fox) "He is a natural LT because he is left handed." (Ron Rivera) "You have to be willing to fail to succeed." (Matt Rhule) So if this sounds like music, it is because it is.

We gonna be OK

Yes--we will win big. Moral victories.

Compared to Burns--who was protecting himself by not going 100%, this guy never leaves the field, he chases RBs and QBs to the opposite sidelines, preventing cut backs. His motor is incredible and he never leaves the field when the other team has the ball. Build around him.

I love it rounds 1-4. Elliss is going to be very solid. Personally I think he is gone in the top 50--horribly undervalued on these draft boards because he played hurt--no bowl/all star games. Mark my words!

Id give you 2 pies if I could. We have had leaky plumbing that has been flooding the kitchen year after year and we are wrapping the pipes in electrical tape

What bothers me is we have spent about 6 years in denial- signing one year contracts and not developing young players. Not drafting well. Too much dead cap---QB carousel. Crazy Now, even if Bryce sucks next year, and I really think he will improve a lot, but let's face it, with the QB draft next year, he has 3 years to prove himself. Regardless, we are building a young team across the board and we are going to rise the tide to lift all boats instead of renting boats. I think we discussed (about 5 or 6 weeks ago) that McCarthy would be there at 33--and debated whether we'd take him. Washington brass, allegedly, mentioned him repeatedly as the #2 overall pick. Would that not be something? I think they are lying--I think they will go with Daniels. However, that could make the first round wacky--wonder what the Giants/Vikings would do? Popcorn

Did you all see the recent news report that claimed the Commanders are putting it out there that they could go with McCarthy at #2? That reminds me of the Niners putting it out there that they might take Matt Jones over Lance with the third pick. By the way, remember that everyone was calling that a great QB draft? Lawrence Struggled early--OK now. Wilson..... Lance..... Fields.... Jones....

I think he knows that other OLB spot is yet to be filled.

good catch

Which means he pays attention. In Charlotte, going back to Richardson, the Panther's owner has had its hand on the pulse of the local press and the national press has never been that interested (Small market). I study conflict in some of my courses, and when a person cannot stand by their achievements, they make it personal. Tepper does that. Talks like it is a bad thing to criticize him--like its McCaffee's fault, and then makes a joke about his appearance, then says, "There you go," as if the problem is PM and not his record--while walking away. Good news? Tepper knows. Did not like being called the most "entertaining" owner--making your profile picture true.

I already disagree. DJ Johnson will be fighting for a roster spot. Barno showed more last season

Fake News. he was 2-15

Yep. They could have pulled the "Jonathan Stewart stationary bike w/ floppy hat" out of storage.

For starters, nobody here thought you were an idiot with a keyboard. We thought you use a tablet. Seriously, excellent breakdown. I love data-based thinking (over emotion).

I am happy. We already have 2 veteran WRs. If Mingo and a rookie aren't allowed to play, how do they improve? We draft players that are developmental and we want to discard them as soon as they don't become superstars. In fact, we are more patient with first round picks when we should be more patient with the day 3 picks. Develop them. I am OK letting Theilen and Johnson be the veteran WRs this season. We have a WR deep draft. I think a first rounder will fall to us at 33 and I think we can find one later in the draft. Even if we lose both Thielen and Johnson after this season, we would still have 3 or 4 non rookies--add another WR then.

If we took Ladd McConkey at 33 and then (assuming we don't sign any legit edges) I would love to see us grab (and you need to see my post in the 2024 draft section to understand why) the Edge from Utah at #39 Jonah Ellis. He is under the radar because he had a bad shoulder during the second half of the season and he still played-- and his recovery kept him from participating in all star games, so the experts on social media have him much lower than he probably is on teams' boards. I doubt he makes it past pick 50. I would then like to see us take another developmental WR later. McCaffery from Rice or Jalen Coker from Holy Cross--we might even take Jerry Rice's kid in round 3.

I had forgotten about Ricky Manning's pick. Without that, no X Clown.

Jonah Ellis is going to be the steal of the draft--even if we take him at #33. Under the radar.

My new, "I just saw a video that changed everything for me about Edge" selection at #33. See the strand I started in the draft page---Jonah Ellis. Utah--a sleeper I would take at #33 and laugh at doubters.

Jonah Ellis Utah As you can see from this example, some sites have him as a third round talent. However, he was injured (shoulder) and surgery prevented him from working out and competing at the Shrine game and SR bowl. The video below is well worth the watch; it is the reason I am no longer wanting Chop Robinson, Austin Booker, or Adisa Isaac. However, I would take Jonah Ellis at pick 33. Full stop. And I would celebrate. Not only from this video, but it led me to watch other stuff on him. First, he has three family members with NFL experience--bloodlines manner. Second, since he kept playing with a bad shoulder, his play dropped off during his last year (note the 12 sacks). While he is not the best vs the run, he is very comparable with the others not in the top 3 who play the same position. He is 21, and has amazing hands. This guy compared him to a younger and more raw TJ Watt, and explained that some teams may have him on their board in round 1. In my estimation, his bust risk is minimal compared to the others in the round 2-3 range. watch from about 35:50-42:00

Let's not forget that we also will have first opportunity to claim players off waivers.

Just to be clear (because I do the same thing) you are referring to edge or the 3-4 rush OLB, correct? To me, there is nothing there, short of overpaying Clowney. I know Clowney had a good season last year, but he was on a winning team with a lot of support. Here, he would not have as much support and he would not win as much. I am afraid we'd be paying for performance in Baltimore and not Carolina. We now have Wonnum on the Strong side and he is mediocre. We have an interesting choice in Chaisson on the Rush Edge side and he was out of position before--maybe he will return to first round pick status here. I am cautiously optimistic. We have Barno who played well at times and I think would improve in year 3. Beyond that, Johnson has underwhelmed and Leota has been below average, but he was an underafted rookie. I hope this is not seen as an attempt to derail your thread. It is a good topic on its own. I simply think the option to finding a free agent starter is to develop what you have and draft a player. I have been researching this when you posted this, so I thought I'd share where my mind is right now: If you look long term and at the cap, considering we are likely not going to make the playoffs, use the year to draft and develop an edge. Develop Chaisson (first round talent) and Barno, two players who have skills but lack technique, to overly simplify. In the draft, I like the following players (note that not all players on the list are 3-4 rush OLBs like Burns was--that is what we need): 1. Chop Robinson (he could fall to the Panthers, but it is highly unlikely. pick #33) 2. Bralen Trice (pick #65 if available) Was slow 4.72 40 but his college productivity shows 7 sacks and nearly 50 tackles. To me, that suggests he has the potential to be effective vs the run and get pressure on the QB) 3. Jonah Ellis (pick 65) Productive in college with 12 sacks, but his 3 passes defended suggests that he is in the face of the QB quite a bit. I see him as a rotational player in the NFL, not a starter. 4. Austiin Booker (pick 65) He is my favorite and a value for the third round. 56 tackles and 8 sacks w/ 2 forced fumbles. He, like Bralen Trice, ran a slowish 4.79 40 but they had as many tackles as the top 3-4 OLBs and they had as many sacks, on average. NOTE: I like 2 others, but they played opposite studs. Chris Braswell has a great motor but his physical makeup is questionable for an elite edge. I would seriously consider him at #39--based on the "Dawg" factor alone. He played opposite Dallas Turner, so how many sacks were due to protecting the other side or pressure forcing the QB into Braswell's lap? Braswell ran a 4.6 if that matters. Adisa Isaac played opposite Chop Robinson, and he too has a high motor.He ran a 4.74 at the combine, so I have to think that the 40 times for Booker, Trice, and Isaac are based on 40 times--which means very little. It does measure, however, the takeoff and release. So I guess my point? If you are building a program, develop some youth at $2m per season as opposed to paying a journeyman $8m for a rental season.

PFF 44.0 according to their scale key, "Player is on life support. DNR. Call Hospice and next of kin.