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Fitterer said there were multiple (more than 1, but not sure how many) QBs with "first round grades." Since I doubt they expected to have Willis, Corral, and Howell available in round 2, I expect them to do what it takes to move up to get one--he would not be doing his job if they ignored first-round-graded QBs in round 2. Not having the 38th pick overall--another way Darnold is sticking it to us. I am guessing that the Panthers are either going to trade away a player (YGM, Brown, BC, Elf, Haynes, etc), their 4th rounder, and maybe a 2023 second rounder (Forget what Fitterer said; these are unusual circumstances if the Panthers really have first-round grades) to get to the middle of the second round. Heck, if we came away with a LT and potential starting QB and nothing else, I would be elated.

Like Grier? Kidding, sorta.

Here is what I think the discussion is today: "Is there a QB left on the board that we feel we can build around?" If the answer is "No"--do nothing. If the answer is "Yes"---you go get him in round 2, even if it is an economics decision only. Lemme splain: Baker would cost $19m for 2022 and if he plays well, $100m for the next 3 seasons. In other words, a successful Baker would cost the team $120 over 4 years--approx. $30m per year. (not getting into the diva baggage he'd bring). Howell (for example) would cost around $19m for four years. That is less than $5m per season over 4 years. So if you are worried about the "cost" of trading up, you need to consider the cost of NOT trading up.

Maybe--but they do not want to trade for Baker, and there is a rumor that GM's are prone to lying this time of year. In my mind, pick 50 is where the "elite" QBs (Willis, Howell, Corral) will be gone. I think Willis could go to the Giants with their second rounder--just a hunch--or Tennessee will grab him.

Before I read this thread, I think they will package picks from this year (4,5) and throw in a 2023 second rounder to move up into the back of the second if a top QB is there---Howell, Corral, or Willis. If I am not mistaken, they never brought in Strong for a visit. Wouldn't that be ironic in round 3?

He even said something like, "This is where I will be for a few years.."

FYI Bradley Bozeman 6th round Austin Corbett 2nd round (33rd pick overall) Pat Elflein 3rd Round Taylor Moton 2nd Round (last pick in round 2) Brady Christensen 3rd Round Ickey Ikwonu 1st Round (6th overall pick)

I seriously thought Jax might take him at #1. I gave him about a 20% chance. I was 100% sure that he would not survive the Texans/Jets/Giants.

I have thought that--I don't think he has the road grader ability--if they pull him a lot, OK. Bozeman is a better C than G--which is what i based my opinion on--let's see, but you might be right.

And we have depth now as well--BC can backup both T spots while Elf can backup C/G. Brown (a mystery to me right now) can backup G. We can cut Erving--

You were the first to have him #1 on your board. I thought Neal and Ikwonu would be gone.

So if Fitterer thought that there were 2 QBs worthy of top 10 grades and he took a LT (Cheers!) could it be that he was possibly telling a fib?

FOR EXAMPLE: If they really like Howell or Willis or Ridder---as a developmental player who could start next year, I think I would cough up a future second-round pick and trade the fourth to move up. It would probably cost our 2023 second rounder and this year's fourth rounder. If we move up to grab Howell, it would mean the following: Our last 2 drafted QBs were Charlotte (area) natives. Our first and second rounder in 2022 were Charlotte (area) natives. Our first and second rounders were from NC State and UNC. Consider that last year's first rounder was from the Univ. of So. Carolina, it sure looks like we are into home cooking. Our first rounders over the past 2 years were within a 100-mile radius (approx) of Charlotte

Ikwonu Christensen Bozeman Corbett Moton That seems pretty strong Will we trade for Baker tomorrow?

I was praying that they did not go QB....but they really had no choice. We need to work on Icky's suit choices, however.

So does this mean we took neal off the board?

Exactly what I have been saying

Since punching Mel Kiper in the face is on my bucket list---I can't watch ESPN.

The Eli Manning getting drafted by San Diego Chargers--then traded to the Giants. That was odd--Archie going on stage, Eli looking pissed as he held up the Chargers jersey. Probably the earliest demand for a trade ever.

Cross. That is what I hope we do However, I think they will trade with Philly/Balt and end up with Penning AND Howell.

I am starting to get the feeling that our lack of involvement in the free agent QB market of late (Baker, JG), our comments/hints about wanting to move back, etc. might suggest that we will forego a top OT, trade back, grab a QB later, and play BC at T. So much depends on our evaluation of Christensen. The biggest smokescreen of all could be the fact that everyone assumes that we have no LT when the answer was on the roster all along. Just spitballin' here! And I realize that some of you think BC is not the answer, but this is my view of what they might be thinking. Frankly, I hope we draft Cross or Neal--but then who do we play at QB?

Baker seems rather distantly removed from the reality of his situation. I am starting to loathe him.

I dreamt that I was eating Thanksgiving Dinner with people I did not know on some busy street in NYC. We were blocking traffic, and then a cop showed up riding a Rhino. I suddenly realized that I was wearing nothing below the waist. Then there was a scarecrow, a tin man, and some cat dude.

NFL Network.

I have a feeling that we are going to trade back. We might be staying up past our bedtimes.