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Very good points. I also think you reach an age where your enthusiasm wanes, you quit learning and start relying on experience, and you lose touch with the younger generations of players--it happens. And you are right about Bryce. He is frustrated and he took a ton of heat--I can't imagine where he was mentally, but I have some idea. Bryce is very smart-he needs to beat teams with his mind more than his arm. He could not play chess when everyone around him was a confused pawn. This season, he will use more motion to tip coverages and he will use more pre-snap reads. Than means he should not be breaking the huddle with 12 seconds on the play clock and rushing to get the play off--there are so many things that can impact a QB's play, and there are many signs that he was provided the least possible chance to succeed. In my view, this is his rookie season. Last year was a fire drill.

best case scenario is he does well and at age 30, they give him a 2-3 year deal. We will be needing a RT next season, in my view, so ideally, we would not want a 40% overhaul. I am not one who thinks Cade Mays is hot garbage--I think he could become a solid backup. Funny, when we draft players late we call them "developmental" but when they are forced into action before they are ready, we want them gone--we have less patience for the developmental players than we do first rounders.

We will know more after the draft, I assume. But I see your points. As a former OL coach for a few high schools, I have a very basic knowledge of OL play. However, I was saying all season that Campen was not doing a good job because there were signs. Ickey's lack of mechanical development, missed assignments, and head spinning. Head spinning is when you have no idea where your block is coming from--film study and coaching should tell you, "If the DT stunts inside, maintain inside out gap control...If the LB takes a false step into coverage but keeps his head focused on the QB, he is likely on a delayed blitz..." Just examples, but we were so easy to fool. The A gaps were tremendously laughable last year. Campen was to blame. Having said that, based on what this article says, it seems Corbett is a film rat and maybe that will translate well. The OL must communicate. I think we draft a C in the fifth round. Calling it--the kid from Penn State maybe?

They act as if this is a game of musical chairs. Corbett needs to be able to do the job. He is 29 and learning a new position. I am confident that they are confident, but I do not think this rules out drafting a C late. I should note that Cade Mays was at different schools and played various positions. I think if he is given one position and learns as much as possible this year, he could be better than most here envision. I just don't get spending $150m at G, a $30m RT, and a first round draft pick LT and then saying, "Let's experiment at C" They must have more information than we do.

The more I think about it, I would not be surprised to see them draft Legette (WR) and Saintrisil (CB) in round 2. I would think they will go after a LB in round 3. After that, I expect a slot WR at 101. A RB and maybe a C in the fifth round. I saw NFL Network interview Jackson Powell Johnson (C) from Oregon--and if a player like him is there, we take the C and the CB in round 2. (After doing some thinking, I think there is something to the Panthers taking Saintrisil to start at Nickel with pick 33. They do not want him falling to 37 for his former coach to pick...I hated the idea when I heard it, but I get it. I never would have considered it, but I understand the pick in terms of a dawg on D and and a player who starts (at nickel) day 1. I am not sold on Legette--are they giving the X job to Johnson and want some competition for Mingo at the Z position? Gonna be drama.

These few days of practice will tell Canales what he needs. If Mingo has developed and shows signs of being able to play the Z, we could go F or slot WR in the draft--there are some 4 WR sets and this is probably Thielen's last season here anyway. We could draft 2 as well. No guarantees Johnson returns for 2025.

My post answers this question quite thoroughly. What is the point in trashing him? Does it make you feel better? Nobody is in disagreement about his play needing to improve and that starts with the OL, WRs, coaching, etc. If he still can't get it done, he will be replaced. I have been endorsing a trade down to add a second rounder in the 2025 draft so that we can move up if we need to for a QB next year. That is covering the reality that he might not be the answer, but I also know that blaming him and ignoring the conditions he was asked to perform in is not fair to him. Give him his tools.

It could, indirectly. My question to you is, do you perform better under constant criticism or constant support? Support him--that is not hard. If the fan base stews in negativity all year, it gets into the water and everyone starts thinking the QB is the anti-Christ based on reputation and hearsay. Do you think players do not know how the public feels about them? He has a pretty good excuse, and all players have mechanical issues they could improve. Yes, he is short. No he did not have a good season last year. Turn the page. If he does not work out, we will move on---what is the point in the constant belittlement? However, it has reached the point where Huddlers think they know more that the coaches and management--Newsflash--we don't. In toxic cultures, the first time he makes a mistake all the haters at the stadium get loud to vindicate their opinions---I was right!! in other words. We all know the situation. What point is there in trashing a 23-year old kid who was asked to perform in outrageous situations? Support him. I guess it could say more about the critic than the target.

Most rookie QB bust. However, as a fan, you have to decide, "Am I going to support him, or throw him under the bus?" You have a right to do either, although I might reconsider the use of the word "fan" here.

awareness is good. Nice plan.

I would be partying in May if this was our draft. For some reason, I do not think Pearsall is getting the respect he deserves. Tampa is solid. In my mocks, I go for 2 CBs (nickel and outside depth)--but then again, I live on the edge.

I am not sure that you can compare this draft to those of recent memory. This is a loaded draft, and if you ever were to trade down, this would be the draft. However, if your scouts suck and your GM is an idiot, as was the case in the past, trading back only opens the door for hindsight experts to go back in a year or two and start the "We coulda had..." process. I think we can drop and add a third or so and do well, but until the cards start hitting the table, it is hard to say right now.

The best we could hope for would be a third, but I am not sure you get that by dropping 7 spots. However, the long-term, smart move is to swap second round picks for a second rounder next year. Without a second rounder next season, we are in no position to move around the first if we need to move up.

Changing my tune--I would probably take him off my board. MAYBE if we were a good team and there were strong, established leaders, but the leadership on the panthers (Thompson, Brown, Moton, in my view) is not vocal. He needs a Ray Lewis to put the fear in him.

Third (65) is too high for him, imo. Maybe 101. However, while some are saying "he needs a second chance" and I believe that because I did as well, sometimes you give a kid like that $2m per year and you know what he does with it. I would need to know where his head is right now, and the recent DWI is not a good sign. Is he a "dawg?" I would not think so.

Going out on a limb here---I would not frown if we drafted a player on day 2 who could make us nasty at nickel. Our defense requires a nickel who can come up and hit you. Secondly, he could serve as an emergency WR should we ever need one--this could allow us to keep 5 WRs on the active roster, saving us a roster spot (not to suggest that we would do that, but still, he was not bad at WR). I would then allow Troy Hill to play behind all three positions and as the fourth CB if we go dime. I see the logic and, after reading more on the guy, he is a dawg (alpha) and he will play day 1. If we grabbed a WR and CB round 2 with both expected to get PT early, I would get it.

Great topic. I would do my homework--a lot about him screams 360 lb Johnny Manziel. But under Brown's wing, I see him growing up and worth a day 3 pick.

Giving this some thought after doing some research (watching TV all day and Googling stuff). This is not my opinion---repeat--this is not my opinion, but there is some logic behind this statement that makes it rather believable. Here are some bulleted FACTS that support a decision to draft Sainristil in round 2: Apparently, Sainristil is the best nickel CB in the draft. With the new offenses (According to Steve Smith) the slot or (F receiver as he called it) is playing a bigger role. The nickel CB is now considered a starter because they are on the field most of the time. Sainristil is an "alpha" or "dawg" at Michigan-considered to be a team leader if not the team leader. He is considered a good tackler--important for a nickel. He has experience playing some WR at Michigan (I did not know this--see the video below) Right now, Troy Hill is listed as the starting nickel CB. He will be 33 years old. For the past three seasons, his PFF score has been just above 60 on average--serviceable, but at 33, you have lost a step. We need 2 nickels. The Panthers have (on paper) two starting CBs. If you are looking for players who will start or play a lot in 2024, Nickel CB could be the spot where you would get more bang for the buck. A WR, OL, LB, or even outside CB may not see the field immediately. Here are some supportive stuffs and picture proofs for those of you not two good with words: https://www.si.com/college/michigan/football/michigan-football-mike-sainristil-pff-jim-harbaugh-wolverines-steve-clinkscale

think about Rhule--what a tool. He brings in his old players from Baylor and Temple--forget the SEC or Big 10--and then he lets his wife pick a RB on day 3 of a draft and then drafts a long snapper. In fact, Chubba might be the best pick ever made during that era.

45 and I (among others) think this is a probability (not trying to put words in his mouth) but in THIS draft, I think it could be the thing to do--reason? We have 3-4 pressing needs that we seem to want to address: WR, LB, CB, and RB. I could have added C and TE and another WR---

This would leave a QB (Nix) available at #33, and I have heard that Denver, Seattle, and some team you would not expect might be interested. Drafted in First Round: 6 OTs, 6 WRs, 5 QBs, 5 CBs, 4 Edges, 3 OLs, 2 DLs, 1 TE. (this might be the worst-case scenerio for Panther fans, imo) Best Remaining (May have missed a few) Jackson Powers-Johnson C Keon Coleman WR Xavier Worthy WR Troy Franklin WR Ricky Pearsall WR Xavier Leggette WR Ennis Rakestraw CB Mike Sainristel CB Zack Frazier C Payton Wilson LB

Before this version, he had the Panthers trading into Round 1 for Brian Thomas. THIS IS NOT THE MOST CURRENT MOCK--THAT IS PROVIDED BELOW: So based on this, who do you take? Brendan Donahue, the #1 most accurate mock drafter over the past five NFL seasons according to The Huddle Report, gives you his 2024 NFL Mock Draft — making predictions for every team and every pick in the first round. 2024 NFL Mock Draft Pick Team Player Pos. College 1 Bears Caleb Williams QB USC 2 Commanders Jayden Daniels QB LSU 3 Patriots Drake Maye QB North Carolina 4 Cardinals Marvin Harrison Jr. WR Ohio St. 5 Vikings - TRADE J.J. McCarthy QB Michigan 6 Giants Malik Nabers WR LSU 7 Titans Joe Alt OT Notre Dame 8 Falcons Dallas Turner EDGE Alabama 9 Bears Rome Odunze WR Washington 10 Jets Brock Bowers TE Georgia 11 Chargers - TRADE JC Latham OT Alabama 12 Commanders - TRADE Olu Fashanu OT Penn State 13 Raiders Terrion Arnold CB Alabama 14 Saints Taliese Fuaga OT Oregon State 15 Colts Quinyon Mitchell CB Toledo 16 Seahawks Troy Fautanu OL Washington 17 Jaguars Cooper DeJean CB Iowa 18 Bengals Byron Murphy II DL Texas 19 Rams Laiatu Latu EDGE UCLA 20 Steelers Amarius Mims OT Georgia 21 Cardinals - TRADE Jared Verse EDGE Florida State 22 Bills - TRADE Brian Thomas Jr. WR LSU 23 Chargers - TRADE Adonai Mitchell WR Texas 24 Cowboys Tyler Guyton OT Oklahoma 25 Packers Graham Barton OL Duke 26 Buccaneers Chop Robinson EDGE Penn State 27 Dolphins - TRADE Jer'Zhan Newton DL Illinois 28 Eagles - TRADE Nate Wiggins CB Clemson 29 Lions Kool-Aid McKinstry CB Alabama 30 Ravens Jordan Morgan OL Arizona 31 Raiders - TRADE Michael Penix Jr. QB Washington 32 Chiefs Ladd McConkey WR Georgia

I think the smart money is to listen, only take a great offer.

When I have mocked, I do not like the trade down scenarios, but I am trying to fill that second round pick in 2025. I think you trade to keep from reaching.

And the bottom line is the talent available. This draft should have some studs at 33 when in the past, there was a drop off. Markets are about supply and demand, not history.