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I think that makes sense. The Saints do not have a first rounder. I think the NFC S is appealing to Carr--where he can be the man. The Saints, however, are last in the NFL in Cap Room, so they will have to package a player or two--this could get very interesting

First Pick: Based on the draft order, team needs, etc. I think it is possible that the Colts trade up to #1 with the Bears. They will offer C Ryan Kelly (Bears need OL help now) or DL Deforest Buckner and their 2023 first, 2023 second and next year's 2024 second to the Bears, imo. I do not think the ponies will trade up unless they want Young or Stroud, probably Young, the most "ready to start" QB in the draft. Second Pick: Houston is also going after a QB. I think the Texans take Young if there is no movement, but the Bears will be making a deal. With that in mind, I expect Stroud will be a Texan. Third Pick: Duh. Arizona should take the best player in the draft--Will Anderson. Edge Bama Fourth Pick: Chicago knows they can trade back to #4 and get the second-best non-QB on the board--a DL from Georgia seems logical. Jalen Carter, DT Dawgs. If they trade back again, they could target an OT--fourth is high for a DT, but this one is worth it. Fifth Pick: Seattle probably stays put, unless a team thinks Detroit wants a QB. They could use and Edge, and Myles Murphy (Clemson) and Tyree Wilson (TxTech) are a toss up. Either one. I will go with Murphy, DE to the Hawks. However, the Raiders or the Falcons could move up, sensing the Panthers will be going after Levis--and then they take Levis. Drama. Sixth Pick: Why would the Lions not like QB Goff? CB is their biggest need, and I would not be surprised to see them trade out of #6 and still get the best CB in the draft. If a team loves Levis, this is what happens--a team moves up for Will Levis. That team is the Carolina Panthers. The Panthers send the #9 pick, the #60 pick in round 2 (from SF) to Detroit. Not a bad trade for either team. If the Colts stay at #4, it means they are targeting Levis.

Depending on what free agency does to the top 8, It could happen-- Houston and Indy are locks to grab a QB. Vegas and Atlanta as well. I think Atlanta, unless they liked Ridder (I have no idea), will not pass on a QB in the top 10 again this year. I think the PANTHERS will be very aggressive

That is funny- Several years ago--maybe 10 or more--my source for minor scoop was Brandon Beane. I used to share stuff that he told me (for some reason, we'd get our car inspected at the same place at the same time-he is from Stanly County)--and my best friend was close to him (Taught him in high School and coached him). It was SO funny when people on the Huddle would call me out, asking me for my source and then mocking me when I would not give him up (at the time, he was not a big name, but he carried Marty for a while and knew the draft). I don't blame them--I would call me out too. Beane would only give perspectives on players, not tell us who the Panthers were targeting, etc. I remember that he said (thru my friend) that 2x All American G Duke Robinson was not on his board, but MH loved him. Later, he said that he talked Marty out of drafting him 2 rounds before Marty did. (at the time, he was not the asst. GM--he was director of football operations, and he was fairly new--so he was proud of getting that right). Robinson was never good. He told us that he was trying to talk Marty out of taking him outright. He would tell us dark horses that were not on the major mock draft radar and tell us players who were projected in early rounds (in our mocks) who would not be drafted by anyone. He did tell us that they like Josh Norman once--but I do not think he would have told us that if Norman was a real serious target.

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In case you are wondering, this article from December might have it right: https://catcrave.com/2022/12/04/carolina-panthers-david-tepper-will-levis/ It says, "A league source told the Observer's Ellis Williams that he heard Tepper has his sights set on Levis." Doesn't get more solid than third-hand, anonymous hearsay.

they all do.

I think we can find a good TE here, and I saw a lot of Safeties (going from memory) so the shopping could be good for those two needs.

That Robbiey Anderson Contract was stupid--I said it at the time.

I think Aussie was saying, "if we don't like any of the picks in our range in the draft...(deciding to pick one later or not at all). Yes, Carr will have a team before the new NFL year begins in March, in my opinion. He will entertain a bidding war.

If he gets to free agency (I think that happens on Feb 15) I am all in on that. However, we would have to engage in a bidding war---and we could make that work, but it would cost us Shaq in my guesstimate.

Cam? Why not make Reich a player/coach? We'd never get a delay of game penalty.

I am still toying with the idea of re-signing Darnold and letting Corral compete with him for 2023. Not ideal, I get it. Draft Hooker in round 3 (hopefully)--let him rehab for most of 2023. I still wonder if Reich can get something out of Darnold--folks, you all act like you know NFL QB play--but you really don't. Darnold is 25 and was showing some degree of improvement. Give him a TE and he is better. Let Hooker and Corral compete for the QB job in 2024 if Darnold does not work out. You save your draft pick (first rounder) this way. I am just not sold on Levis and AR. I would like to be--but if Hooker was younger and healthy, would he not be ahead of both?

If people are looking for the next Cam, teasers like this will make them bite every time. David Newton (and he has the inside scoop, not) says we like the next Tom Brady---Will Levis.

What the hell are you talking about?

Here is the problem with drafting a "Mini Cam" by comparing qualities. Cam was not that accurate. Richardson is not that accurate. For them to be elite QBs in the NFL, they have to run the ball, extend plays, etc. So you have to gain from the RPO running as much as you lose from the accuracy issues. For example, if Cam averages 6 yards per pass attempt and he throws 30 passes and Brees averages 8 yards per pass attempt and he throws 30 passes, Cam throws for 180 yards and Brees throws for 240 yards. Cam, in theory, would need to gain 60 yards rushing and avoid turnovers to compete. That means Cam would take about 10 hits per game more than Brees. Hits on a QB are different than on a RB because the QB is not always in position to take on a hit. He is often reading the secondary or checking for open WRs when he he runs out of time and gets popped. So for an Athletic QB with accuracy issues to compete, he takes a beating. It is what happened to Cam--I predicted that we'd be lucky to get a decade out of him, and I was torched by the nut huggers on here. It is not about Cam--it is about wear and tear. I think Lamarr Jackson is in the same boat. I think Allen in Buffalo needs to change the way he plays or he is heading toward a short career.

If I am paying QBs $50m per year and they are proven veterans, Yep. My patience sux. Do you think $250m contracts are for developmental projects? Jones and Lawrence are on rookie contracts. They are rookie contracts because they are developmental. Do you see the difference?

Is Bill Parcell's formula still applicable? I think Brock Purdy is an example of what he meant. 1. Be a three year starter 2. Be a Senior 3. Graduate from college 4. Start over 30 games 5. Win 23 games 6. Complete over 60% of passes 7. Post a 2-1 TD to Int ratio As much as I realize the game is changing, I see why these things are important--each measures different qualities of his ideal QB. Experience, maturity, intelligence, durability, competitiveness/leadership, accuracy, and decision-making. Which QB in this draft best meets these requirements?

Not reading the entire thread--- All in? Like the Broncos did? The Browns? The Rams? Good thinking!!

when you say, Cam in the rough, I think, "Cam was in the rough when he came out." AR is two inches or so shorter and not as thick. Of the 4 QBs at the top of this draft, he is the closest to Cam.

I really hope Young does not fall--I hope someone grabs him early. So much depends on how much we like Richardson and Levis. I think they are both a year away, and I got the idea they wanted a QB as the final piece--which suggests right now. If we wait, we can add a stud TE and maybe a WR to help make him better. This is going to be interesting, but after hearing Fitterer, he sounded like he will be aggressive-as if he sees QB as a "final piece". Of course, they have a lot of homework to do.

This has to be the plan. I see Vegas and maybe Atlanta as threats ahead of the Panthers. If someone drops to 6, I think that is where we move up if we do.

Did you all hear Fitterer? I realize there is some liar's poker out there, but what he said makes sense--you have a good, young defense. You have a good, young OL. At WR, you have 4-5 decent to good WRs--Moore, Shenault, TMJ, Smith. I think if can sign a good TE and maybe find one more WR, we could be really good now. He said, "If there is a QB you like in this draft, considering the rest of the roster, you go get him." (paraphrasing). To me, he will find a few free agents and re-sign some folks. He will use the CMC trade to move up for the franchise QB. Levis and Richardson are very talented projects--but they might need a year. I see Stroud as their target--he has the tools Reich described--but do not discount resigning Darnold for a season and drafting Levis or Richardson.

This is like a con man who sold you a fake Rolex for $100 coming after you because you only gave him $80.

OK, Not reading the entire thread--so excuse me if this was said. I read tea leaves. Reich said that he likes a mobile QB etc. and then he mentioned Wentz. He said (correctly) you need a run/option threat to keep the backside honest, etc. We needed a mature QB coach veteran, and I have no doubt that we will bring in a QB coach with expertise in a different skill set. Fitterer said the pieces are in place, just need a QB--even if you have to move up to get him, you go get him. He thinks the time is right. Richardson (6-4) is the tallest QB, but I doubt we have to move up for him. He is also a project that does not help next year, IMO. Levis (6-3) is more athletic than Wentz but 2" shorter. Stroud (6-3) has to be the #1 target.