MHS831

We have 40% former Panthers in the QB scrap heap.

Y'all are crazy if you think Cam Newton has anything left!!! He is done, kaput! What a bunch of shallow morons you are!!!

OK here is what you could do--trade up to #3. If your top 2 QBs are gone (Young, Stroud, for example) that means you have the access to the best non-QBs in the draft--Jalen Carter and Will Anderson to trade out. After that, imo, there is a drop off. Trade out of #3 back to #6 or so, for example. a team wanting one of the remaining QBs or Carter/Anderson will be all in. It is risky, but so is moving up for Richardson or Levis. But the thing is to get to #3 now, and then move around if needed.

If my board has three QBs we would be willing to trade up for, then ok. I do not see us trading up on draft day- Why, you ask? All of the QB needy teams will have already moved up--they ain't trading out. If Baltimore gets two firsts for Jackson, then expect them to be in the market with the draft capital to move up to #1 if they want. I think it would be smart to work out a deal sooner than later, but not if you don't love 3 QBs--Me? I only love 2 and like 2.

I don't get it--these teams compete against one another, and if a player were there that could help them compete, you go get him. Are you telling me that Bill Belichick in NE would not pounce on this if he saw the opportunity and value? I think you hear his demands and you notice that his own team put him out there, knowing that it would drive his price down, or knowing they can live without him. I would be very hesitant.

I have said that I do not think they are evaluating QBs the right way--not that I knew how to do it, but I even considered having them play a video game that realistically simulates defenses. The QB testee would have to make pre-snap adjustments and reads, checkdowns, etc. I would love to see how these guys did it--gonna read

I agree-- I would rate them: 1. Young 2. Stroud 3. Richardson 4. Levis But I see Richardson as a player who could top some team's boards..same for Stroud.

Seriously, I think they need a cap that breaks down limits to players, not just rosters. For example, a team can have the following: (This is just an example--no research--but it seems the increase in cap is going to the QB, and it is not being realized as much by the rest of the roster.) I am guessing the Player's union could get behind something like this that benefits a majority of the players. Have not done the math--but a roster cap? 2 A players who each make 10% of the cap. (about $22.5m each) 6 B players who each make 5% of the cap. (about $11m each) 10 C players who each make 4% of the cap. (about $9m each) 12 D players who each make 3% of the cap. (about $6.8m) 25 E players and who each make 1% of the cap on average. (range $1m to $2m each) This increases the active roster to 55 players and allows for $$ for practice squads. Complex contracts would need a formula to pay bonuses, etc. but this would simplify contracts and get everyone on a more equal scale--so that teams cannot manipulate the salary cap. I call it the NFL MHS is a jeanyus CAP.

About the collusion argument. It is difficult to prove, but it is also difficult to organize. If you were at the store and you saw a banana that was in its prime, save a few bruises, but nothing major. You love bananas, and you are out of bananas. There are green bananas behind this banana, and some old bananas marked half price. You look around, and you see shopping carts with older bananas in them; you see shopping carts with green bananas in them. However, there are carts without bananas being pushed by people who need a banana. Why are they not getting the banana in its prime? If they don't buy the banana in its prime, it will drive the price down. If they buy it, the price goes up, and everyone who was trying to drive the price down gets mad at the person who buys the banana in its prime. Since the banana is still on the shelf at full market price, it could be that the green bananas are better for the future and the older bananas are a better value. Or it could be that the customers in the store colluded to drive the price of prime bananas down.

July is soon.

Isn't Will Grier also a prodigal son?

You can't help but wonder where Lamar Jax would be right now with an agent. Did he screw himself here? I think he did, but details will be available soon.

Ok --and do not get me wrong--I see this point very clearly and agree--but I wonder if the rules that they have in place to protect the QB make a smaller player more likely to succeed? I realize that they all take contact, but you can't hit the QB hardly at all, you can't even land on him while tackling him. Just wondering if today's rules could allow for a more frail qb to play effectively>

By the way--I did not remember typing this--reread my post--I meant to say Rodgers.

I am not a big fan of Shaq. He makes plays in spurts, but I do not see him as a Ray Lewis-type hole plugger. With Luvu coming on, I think we can find a rookie to go with Littleton (if he is still on the roster-he was not bad in limited play) I am guessing Shaq will be extended for 2 years.

To me, there is no shame being a backup in the NFL. He is so young, it could allow him to develop and he could be starting somewhere at age 27 or so. His issue is mental--whether that be processing or confidence, I dunno. But you make a great point-he is humble and will work team first.

It bothers me too. In my head I was thinking 204 (Brees was 209 I think) but he was in perfect place to gain weight before the combine. at 190, yikes.

TY. Frankly, that is probably a smart move. He is young and could still develop. At worst, he is a bridge. I would say that the team learned how to use him last year with Wilks. Not the way that makes you a super bowl team, but in a way that you don't beat yourselves against similar opponents.

Another addendum to my excellent points about short QBs: Escapabilty matters--can the QB break out of a collapsing pocket and make a play? Young has proven to be excellent at this, as is Russell Wilson. Brees was 6 feet tall at best, and not really that good at breaking away from the pocket and making plays--although he did it to us it seems. He was very good at avoiding pressure within the pocket. Young has shown that ability as well. Here is a good article about it: https://www.pff.com/news/draft-pff-qb1-why-bryce-youngs-size-shouldnt-scare-away-nfl-suitors If you remember, the Saints are part of the reason Guard and Center salaries skyrocketed in free agency--they started paying them. Brees was not getting out of the pocket much, and facial pressure was his Achilles' heel--he was excellent at stepping up into the pocket to avoid edge rushers. Their tackles, as a result, would protect inside out. Their RBs pass protected the same way--inside out, not as worried about the edge as most. Our OL seems better (but not as good as the Saints was in Brees reign).

They are shopping for a QB, and if they all agree on one, they will go get him and the price will be what they will pay. So I agree. I think there is already a sign that we like a QB in this draft because we did not really pursue Carr and we have not shown Darnold interest. I think they have a guy---or two---or three that they feel comfortable with. And to all of you who have dismissed Young because he is small--Doug Flutie was this size. Kyler Murray is this size. Russell Wilson is 5'11. Sonny Jurgeson was 5'11. Not many to choose from, but the new NFL may not depend on height as much as we are conditioned to think. While they may not be the most successful QBs in the league, I guess the point is, it has been done, but the population size is rather small (pun intended). FWIW, Reich and McCown are 6' 4".

but they are using a fake name to begin with---pussies.

If I am not mistaken, they met with hooker twice. That could mean that he is a fallback, or he is a sleeper hidden behind his age and injury. You have to look at it this way: Hooker plus this year's second and a first in 2024 and 2025 or Stroud? (for example)

If the Ravens got 2 first for Lamar, why would they trade down? Would they not want to get AR-15 for that offense? I am confused why a team at #8 with no QB would trade down.

I was hard on him--but my focus has been on Stroud and AR-15--when the quiet ones have not had the attention they deserve. Young and Levis.

Remember, a long time ago, we thought Malik Willis was a first rounder? Member? He was an athlete who could sling it. Member that? I do.