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Me too, but someone described how screwed up the situation at SC was--Folks, Xavier wanted to be here--he wanted to be near his remaining family. Great story. I think he will be moved around--like a Deebo. Wonder how much of this is related to the new Kickoff rules--XL was a kick returner.

If KC and Buffalo had not swapped picks, we'd never have moved up. Brandon Bean did his buddy Morgan a solid. Swapping an fifth for a sixth and getting the fifth year option was brilliant--

I made the same comment to my son. When that big OT picked him up (calling it tradition) they had been told not to do that---Goodell looked to be in pain. I wonder if he did not take a pain pill after that.

I agree that Bryce's performance was very poor last year. But I deal with people in my line of work that attack the symptoms and ignore the central problem. Maybe Bryce is the central problem, but maybe most good QBs would have failed miserably here last year.

Height is all everyone here seems to be focused on. Payton describes a process, and Bryce has not been through the process--they will factor his weaknesses and build around his strenghts--that is all Payton is saying. His arm strength is what it is but his accuracy was never the issue at Bama. Here, there are reasons for accuracy issues, such as throwing to covered WRs with a blitz in the face. I am not predicting a miracle recovery, and maybe all we can get from him is what Miami got from Tua....but I want to see the process before writing him off.

Right. Don't treat the draft as if it is the end of all personnel moves. You can still make trades and we have first crack at the waiver wire---and there are the Undrafted free agents---we have a bare bones roster--no sense reaching at any position.

With our needs and the depth of WR in this draft, the smart play could be CB and LB. If you can get a player like Rice, Polk, Corley (possibly), or Walker in the third when you are ulikely to find your LB or maybe CB in round 3, it could be the play. Mingo should improve and we added Johnson. gonna be fun to see what they do, but we are all assuming WR is this huge need, but so are LB and CB.

Cam is taller. Note that Sean Payton says exactly what Canales has been saying. You could argue that he did well with Brees but not Russell, but Russell has been successful at his height and we do not know that was the reason he decided to part ways. While height is a factor, Payton (the QB whisperer) does not seem to be that concerned about it--- Payton said the Saints had two “really good guards” in Jahri Evans and Carl Nicks who helped Brees climb the pocket and find throwing lanes. Payton has coached QBs of various heights and he knows how to help create throwing those lanes. Whether the Broncos land a tall quarterback or a shorter prospect, Payton said it’s Denver’s job to set them up for success. “I do think part of our jobs is to build around the strength of your players,” Payton said. “Even this year, what are the things that we feel like our receivers do well, that ‘Russ’ does well and that the running backs [do well]? That’s our job. And so our offense — and when I say our, [I mean] wherever I’ve been — it has been kind of an evolution of starting with the ingredients we have then building around them. So I think there’s still some things that are paramount today. “At some point, teams are going to make you win from the pocket. We can rush a certain way to keep a quarterback from escaping. We’re going to have to be — wherever you’re at — proficient enough on third down to take a snap, find a throw and protect that spot that you’re referencing, regardless of height. I think oftentimes, these guys are seeing through lanes, not necessarily over them. Certainly for some quarterbacks, that can be a little bit more challenging.” https://sports.yahoo.com/sean-payton-comments-qb-height-100005399.html

I think I posted it on this thread, but Miami might go up and get Penix before the Raidahs. The Broncos could trade back and still get Nix at 21. I see this as a possible move tonight.

But Cam is normal?

Here is a rumor I am starting: Supposedly, there could be interest in a trade between the two queen cities. Trey Hendrickson (who could be an interesting fit able to play 3 tech to 7 or 6i tech--best as a 4-3 DE, prolly) and Tee Higgins (WR) have both requested a trade. Stay tuned---could be nothing, but it could not be not nothing.

My rules (if they mattered): Don't pay a RB a second contract--pay the QB if top 5 (stealing your phrasing), and scout the hell out of the bottom of the draft. Hurney once said on WFNZ, "I focus on the first round talent and don't get too involved with the later round picks. Brandon has been doing that--it is good experience for him (paraphrasing)." I think he was making an excuse as to why his drafts were good in round 1, not so much later. However, Marty drafted players that gave him an immediate return (RB, LB, etc). In the only draft where he was on his own without a coach's input was Fox's lame duck year. 2. Clausen, 3. Lafell, Armanti Edwards, 4. Norwood....

Come back soon, Mr. Scot. I am not used to being the smartest one here. And that statement is not arrogant, unfortunately!

Yet they think they deserve it because the market is set. I think we are in the era where you should draft a QB every 2-3 years if not every year.

Yeah--Penix is better, but it all depends on Penix. The Raiders have been rumored to him. Latest rumor? The Dolphins take Penix, avoid the contract w Tua. Downfield thrower to those speedster WRs. It makes sense. Think about it--Miami trades up with Denver who moves back to 21 and they take Nix. Miami gets Penix, saves millions on the Tua contract, and The Raiders are bamboozled.

I think the Rams want him and they are going to be bold about it. Popcorn needs to be ready--Chicago at #9 (Rams Bears trade)?

If I were starting a game next week and had McCarthy and Penix on my roster--its Penix all day. McCarthy seems to be running a self-promotion add. At the beginning of all this, you and I (I think) debated whether McCarthy would be there at 33.

Tough one. Common sense says under but I am going with over for that reason

They have Corbett in that photo? What is going on? Is that a smokescreen? Selecting him for this photo is eerily strange--are they making other teams believe we love him at C? Could this foreshadow JMC or Barton?

Bama ran a lot of zone, so his stock is a bit elevated, imo. I honestly believe that we are trading back if we can. I can also say that it is possible we draft CB and WR in round 2...I still think that Sandristil is a good fit--and I hated it when I heard it--but it makes sense. At WR, we should have a nice selection. Legette, Pearsall, Coleman, Wilson, Franklin, Worthy. However, do not discount the perception of our need by our GM to bring in an ALPHA ILB. There are only 2 of them, and they will be available in the second round. (Cooper, Wilson).

Kool Aid and First Aid.

Rumors I have not heard---Jets looking to move up? Rams? Pray for OL to last to 31!

So what would it take to move from 15 to 4 (Indianapolis trying to get Harrison)? 750 points after swapping first rounders this draft. Without involving players, that trade would look like: Arizona: Pick 4 Indianapolis: Picks 15, 46 and a 2025 first round selection.

Atlanta beat writer thinks the Falcons will be an active trader tonight. JJ McCarthy dropping? That could influence a lot.