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I see 3 NTs and 3 DEs--and YGM is probably a hybrid pass rusher from the 5--not sure how he fits at 265.

I just do not see taking on the risk. Cam's completion percentage at Auburn was 10% higher (roughly) than Richardson, and in the NFL, Cam was below 60%. If you have a Stroud or Young sitting right there, do you take a QB who will dazzle with his running ability, but his passing is a huge ? I would take him #1 in last year's draft, but not this season. However, anything is possible.

They are making moves to win now---unless they plan to start Dalton for a season or more, this makes no sense. If Cam Newton had not played here--and these players are similar---would this even be in the discussion? RISK is a very important factor--Tepper knows RISK---CALCULATED Risk. When you have 2 investments that will earn a 10% return for 10+ years, you don't invest in something that might tank or earn you 15% for 8 years--- Tepper Knows Risk, and if this decision had been made, they would not be traveling to Columbus by the dozen.

TIME TRAVELING: Sheena Quick: General consensus from those in the know here in Indy is that Malik Willis is “it.” 3:20 PM · Mar 4, 2022 from Indianapolis, IN

And it does not explain why the Panthers' owners and 9 scouts and coaches are going to Columbus. Too much talking going on right now--people need to pay attention. They have over 1 month to make a decision.

2 are the Teppers. Worrisome.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/21/report-panthers-will-send-11-representatives-to-ohio-states-pro-day/

As a rotational DE, he is going to be solid--20 snaps per game--maybe 25. That gives us Williams, Anderson, Brown, YGM (I think he will be the inside pass rusher) at the DE positions.

I deleted the 320 wrong guesses.

Funny thing is this--I don't think the Panthers know for sure yet--so any outsider who claims to know is silly.

I posted this in Verge's Draft Central thread on March 5: Yes, I got mad skillz.

I know what you are saying--but hear me out--in part, I agree with every word. David Carr, Mark Sanchez, Sam Darnold, Blaine Gabbart, EJ Manual, Blake Bortles, etc. all had the size and the tools. The real question was processing speed--they all seemed to struggle to go through their progressions and make a timely, accurate throw. We know we have a QB who can do that in Young. Do we in Stroud? I would say there is a strong chance he can do it, just to a slightly lesser degree (or he was never asked to do it as Young was). We know Young's size and his processing speed, for the most part--what we need to know is about Stroud. If Stroud can come close to equalling Young, you take him.

When I hear the coach and GM talk, they tend to repeat the same words when asked questions separately-probably a good idea of the things they talk about in private. One word I keep hearing? PROCESSING. They are more interested in the speed between the ears than the speed from zero to 40. Does that mean the size of the QB is not an issue? No. Does that mean Stroud cannot process? No.

I do not think this staff will trade up to #1 for a project--all indications are the QB will start very early--so eliminate AR15 and Levis. If the QB most ready to start day 1 is a factor, I think Young gets the nod. If they are looking for a secure 10-20 year pocket passing QB with few questions about size, obviously Stroud gets the nod. They showed a list of the QBs Reich has worked with, and most of them were 6'4" or so--so does than indicate a type? Maybe, but they also underpeformed--most were over the hill--so who knows?

Isn't a flying rat a bat?

we have about 37 days left.

that is what I wanted to see the most---thanks for providing this information OP From these numbers, you can see how close Young and Stroud really are. QBR Both are significantly better than the average NCAA QB in terms of QB rating. In these 4 categories, Young is +25.2 above the FBS average and Stroud is +18.4 above the FBS average. When compared to each other, Young has a fairly significant advantage when facing a blitz (+4.6 Young) and a tremendous advantage throwing outside the pocket (+26.7). When inside the pocket, Stroud has a slightly less significant QBR advantage (+3.7 Stroud). The ability outside the pocket is the biggest advantage for Young. Without that category, the QBs are pretty even. COMPLETION/OFF TARGET % Here I will summarize--first, I found it interesting that Stroud had a higher percentage of deep balls completed (+5%) over Young, but Young's deep passes were on target more often (7.7%) That means three of four of Young's passes over 21 yards were catchable balls, while Stroud can say that over two out of three were catchable. That suggests that Stroud had the better receivers. Young has a red flag in that his completion percentage on deep outs from the pocket was 40%--about 8% below the FBS average and 26% lower than Stroud. That is an important pass to throw in the NFL. However, his off target percentage for the same throw was 5.1% better than Stroud's, so that makes little sense. Were Bama WRs and TEs that much worse that Buckeyes'? Young has a significant accuracy advantage on the short throws, while Stroud is worse than FBS average. From this perspective, I think these QBs are close, but I would give Young the advantage only after looking into his performance on deep sideline routes. I am sure the Panthers will be watching film and testing his arm strength to make that throw on time from the pocket. Young's accuracy numbers are significantly higher than his completion percentages. I would be happy with either QB. Hooker belongs in the Richardson/Levis category, based on these stats

Morning shrooms?

Yes, on NFL Network today (Good Morning Football) they related the aggressive moves by the Panthers to the Teppers, referring to the brass balls on his desk. I could live with either one, but--as with Wilson and Brees--if we go with Young, he has to be max protected.

Bryce Young and the QB size dilemma. This article summarizes it quite well, imo. Basically compares Young to other small QBs. "He will officially register as a uniquely small player—one that will force one NFL team to take one of the greatest risks, one of the biggest plunges, that we’ve seen in any draft cycle. And he’ll start his journey to become one of the league’s greatest outliers." https://www.theringer.com/nfl-draft/2023/3/3/23623742/bryce-young-height-short-nfl-combine-outlier

"Bryce Young is one of the best 'processors' I've scouted over the past decade—he sees the entire field so well," ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper Jr. tweeted. Young is also extremely accurate, whether in the pocket or on the move. While he's not a run-heavy quarterback like Murray, he has plenty of escapability in his game. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10066071-bryce-young-will-be-the-most-polarizing-prospect-at-2023-nfl-scouting-combine

I am thoroughly enjoying this offseason. Sure--take the Shakespeare stuff. Funny how they are considered the quintessential symbols for true love when they were 14ish and 16, knew each other for less than a week, and ended up killing themselves. So if our GM acts like Romeo and falls in love with someone he meets at the Combine in Indy's house (a team also looking for a QB)----I think, however, if Romeo had Juliet's 40 time and had he seen her throw before making the decision, he might have gone back to Rosaline--the taller Capulet.

Cam was fairly raw when he came out, and most people do not realize that he was below 60% completions for his career. At Auburn in 2010 Cam was at 66%--so his accuracy dropped--(pro system vs. spread)

We do not know. I just hear the word "processing" and "point guard" and "size doesn't matter," and either they are great at lying and deception to influence a trade with Houston or they are spewing characteristics that they have prioritized during their film sessions. At the combine, we could see Stroud's strengths and they were impressive. I think this is going to come down to the things we can't see at a workout--on the white board and watching film from the endzone.