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[The Athletic] Panthers big board: Draft options at No. 8
MHS831 replied to Icege's topic in Carolina Panthers
Jihad Campbell of Alabama is a similar player to Jalon Walker, if I am reading things correctly. Built like an edge, can also play ILB. Campbell is projecting in the second round but his stock has been rising--Micah Parsons effect... To me, this ALLOWS you to take a Jack Sawyer or a Landon Jackson--imagine an ILB who can move to the edge on some downs, allowing the strong side edge to move inside to the 5 Tech with another edge at the 9 technique. You would move Sawyer to the five, move Walker to the nine... The QB senses pressure on that side, so he would have to trade the TE or move a back to that side--mismatches. Or he calls a hot route and throws in that direction, but Walker, from the 9 technique, drops into coverage--lotta things you can do with a player like that. -
Josh Norris: Panthers-Garrett Wilson trade options
MHS831 replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
I have not researched either side, so I do not have a dog in this fight, but I would like to point out that you present your points using data, stats, and specific parallels. You don't attack the opposing person, you attack their viewpoint. Well done. We need more of this type of posting whether I agree with your views or not. -
Josh Norris: Panthers-Garrett Wilson trade options
MHS831 replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
Here is the dilemma: 1. Do you trade for a player entering his fourth year if you agree to offer him a new contract, something you can do after 3 years of playing on a rookie contract? If so, to avoid sending a first rounder for a "one and done" You will have to pay Wilson approximately $100m on a 4 year deal and lose your 2025 first round draft pick. Wilson has been over 1000 yards each season. 2. Chris Godwin is 29, but before his 2024 (injured some) season, had several 1000 yard seasons. His salary will not exceed $25m per, according to the internet, which is always accurate. With Godwin, you get a player less likely to evolve into a #1 than Wilson during the contract, and his play will likely decline slightly each year over the contract. I imagine a 3-year deal at about $70m would be the range. However, to get Godwin, you have to compete with other teams, sell the Panthers, and possibly overpay. You do not, however, lose a draft pick. 3. Would we give away our first rounder and pay top dollar for a WR if we thought Legette might develop into the #1? I know a lot of you feel that he sucks, but as an athlete, his is elite. WR skills need to be developed. We all knew he was raw when we drafted him. We saw Legette at his floor--but we do not know his ceiling. He has a long way to go, but if they can develop him like they did Bryce, Cade, Zavala etc. are we "giving up" on XL? Most NFL players claim to grow the most between years 1 and 2. Is the answer to sign a lower-level free agent WR--like KJ Osborn--who averaged about 650 yards per season in Minnesota with AT and Jefferson--He is 27, and would improve the WR room--at a cost of about $5m per season. This seems like the "Panther way" and I worry that we get stuck in mediocrity by our GM decisions--but you build through the draft. In other words, I have no idea. -
Josh Norris: Panthers-Garrett Wilson trade options
MHS831 replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
I know. He would have to find a two defensive linemen and an edge--not to mention a CB and 2 Safeties. Or LB. Heck, you might be better off signing a free agent at top dollar instead of giving away draft capital and then paying top dollar to keep him. Jamarr Chase is about to get a new deal and he will be seeking $40m. -
Josh Norris: Panthers-Garrett Wilson trade options
MHS831 replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
Consider this: A first round pick has about a 50-60% chance of success. This draft has some of our needs in the fourth round. I would do this deal, but you cannot ignore the cap. If you do this deal, and I am not sure how this would work, but can you not agree in principle to an extension? You are looking at $25-30m. Wilson had 1100 yards and was the third most targeted WR in 2024. He caught two thirds of them-not bad. To do this, you may have to cut Clowney and not re-sign Dalton. Rework Hunt. Rework and extend Moton. Wilson, XL, AT, Coker--not bad, especially if XL and Coker improve from year 1. -
Josh Norris: Panthers-Garrett Wilson trade options
MHS831 replied to TheSpecialJuan's topic in Carolina Panthers
replace the "L" with an "H" and that was my high school nickname. Be here all week-try the veal. -
[The Athletic] Panthers big board: Draft options at No. 8
MHS831 replied to Icege's topic in Carolina Panthers
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I will say that TE is more of a need than most seem to realize, and a good receiving TE could reduce the need for a WR but it does not stretch the field that much--however, only Kyle Pitts (to the best of my memory) was drafted higher than 8th (4th). Brock Bowers--the best TE I have seen coming out of college-- was the 13th pick. With our needs (edge, DT) you are foolish for shopping for a TE in round 1 when they are available later. You can find a good TE late--we did last year. I saw a TE/HBack at the SR bowl and he seemed like a stud--from Ga Tech--Hawes. Heck, he might not even get drafted, but he seemed like he could run FB, H back, had good hands--If you get some time, watch some of his video.
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Yeah. I think trading for him taking on about $9m in salary (guestimate) is a luxury for a contender looking for a #2 to compete. We have Kupp in Thielen. I am so worried that we overpay for a free agent WR playing in a good system (like we did the Eagles RB) and he underperforms here.
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[The Athletic] Panthers big board: Draft options at No. 8
MHS831 replied to Icege's topic in Carolina Panthers
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Here is how I see it: Assuming we cut Tuttle and Ray (or let them go) and do not re-sign Mike Jackson or Shaq Thompson: Nose Tackle (0-3 technique) Nose Tackle depth Defensive End (Across from Brown; Robinson should be rotational) Edge A player who can get after the QB and hold the edge. We had too many cut backs for big gains. This assuming we keep Clowney and Wonnum. Edge Strong side edge to play for a season behind Wonnum. Linebacker Starting #2 CB Starting Safety Starting Safety Not to mention the Offense (depth QB, RB, WR, TE, Swing T, C-even though I think May earned the job, we need depth) That is 15 players--more than a quarter of the roster (28%). Morgan better get busy.
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As for the Tee Higgins fans, take him away from Joe and Chase and make him a #1, he might not be worth close to $30m.
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Restrepo or Bech in round 3 would be nearly as productive, imo/ if the injuries continue to hinder Kupp 10 years younger, $26m cheaper....
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BREAKING: Saints Organization helped Protect Pedo-Priests
MHS831 replied to bLACKpANTHER's topic in Carolina Panthers
he said "Religion," not God or Jesus or Moses, etc. It is not the institution of religion that is problematic--it is the manipulation of that institution that is problematic. I am fairly certain that is what was meant.- 32 replies
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BREAKING: Saints Organization helped Protect Pedo-Priests
MHS831 replied to bLACKpANTHER's topic in Carolina Panthers
Anything that man touches he tarnishes with corruption. Never before has religion been weaponized and used by political figures as it has been recently. According to Pew Research center, and I had a discussion with a Methodist minister about this recently, Gen X-Z are disassociating from the church in record numbers. Those in power or seeking riches on earth use it to manipulate....It is called menticide in some cases--brainwashing. To see it for what it is, you have to be objective and willing to see what is under the blanket. Pew says that 50% of the American churches--mostly evangelical, will not exist in 2050. For the first time ever, American youth value "common sense" (36%) over spirituality (24%) when making ethical decisions. So no, the church is not above corruption, greed, and manipulation of the masses. This is not really new--but it is being exploited now like never before. Because of more access to the media, Children are less likely to be scared into church and forced to believe the dogma as before. They see the greed, lying, and manipulation. This is not mocking Jesus or God--this is exposing those who distort images of Jesus and God so that they can rape, rob, and manipulate you to vote one way or another. This $50 million dollar preacher knows what I am talking about, as did/does Jim Bakker, Catholic priests, Falwell, Swaggart, etc.