Jon Snow

For getting fired? Who's next, Hurney?

Good for you I guess. Seems like the rest of us want to see this through. Winning is all we care about.

There are a lot of weak individuals on this site.

If they are not winning why are you worried about getting embarrassed in the playoffs. They won't even be there. Let me see if I understand what you are saying here. Its a two part question so bare with me. You think that if you could not possibly win a game you do not want to play the game because you will lose and get embarrassed? Do you want the team to have that mindset?

They are much better than last years group and that's not debatable. They just went up against a better defense, at least game plan wise. They held up better than I expected for most of the game. Pittsburgh is a tough team to out muscle when their back is against the wall. Tomlin needed this win just as badly if not more than Wilks. There was no was they were going to let the Panthers run on them. You can bet your ass he made sure of that. He dared us to beat them with Ben McAdoo calling pass plays for Sam Darnold.

We still love you sunshine.

I'm glad it is for someone.

Oh there's no doubt about it. They will not win out. But that doesn't seem to matter because none of the other teams in the nfcs seem to want to win either. If we win another game they may force us to take the title whether we want it or not. It's just that screwed up.

It's seems to be a bit of both.

I can watch them suck from the comforts of my own home thank you. I'm not paying anymore for that. They should be thankful that I care enough to tune in.

All I'm saying is you are expecting too much. Think of it this way. You have a race car built by shade tree mechanics at the direction of the first driver that didn't know poo about building a race car. You put it in the indy 500 and a few laps in you realize the car is a piece of poo with no chance to win. So to think putting a new driver in it is somehow it's going to win the race is a bit of a stretch don't you think?

If we are picking 24th maybe QB isn't the problem. But I get your point. Apparently there wasn't anyone in this draft they feel as strongly about as you to worry about draft position.

Call me selfish but I want both.

It for people that can't take a differing opinion. It's their go to reaction.

Different teams under different circumstances. I do not remember all of the circumstances that led to those past teams demise. The measuring stick is your opposition this season. We do not measure up. We have a few pieces sure. And I do mean few. One critical piece is still illusive and not looking to magically appear anytime soon. Theres just not talent enough to crawl out of the nfl cellar. That doesn't even take into account the coaching disadvantage we have to overcome. But like every season the team will be different next season. Will they measure up or will they need more talent. I think you know the answer.

We are not going anywhere. We are just caught up an unfortunate series of events. This team is just doing the best they can with what they have. It just not enough to win any games. We have somehow managed to stay in the discussion for a playoff spot despite our intentions or abilities. My only interest now is to watch who is fighting for a roster spot. In my mind the game outcome is predetermined before it starts. It has been all season. If they win I take it in perspective and apply credit accordingly. Either way, I still see a team that needs a lot of churn from top to bottom.

It's a matter of perspective. You play the hand you're dealt. I agree there was a couple personnel substitutions a would have made. But without knowing the circumstances behind those decisions I cannot say there were other options. He will have to live with it. I just cannot see what else they could have done other than to fire McAdoo but it's too late for that.

Absolutely no one believes Darnold can take over a game throwing the football. That fact will remain regardless. He can move the chains, maybe. But do not fall under the illusion that he will ever take over a game with throwing the ball. If we cannot run the ball we do not have a chance to win. It's that simple.

You should fire off an email to Dave and let him know.

You are assuming there were real adjustments to be made to the game plan with this personnel and coaches. Their only hope to win was to run the ball and play good defense. Just like Pittsburgh. They failed miserably at both because Pittsburgh has better players and better coaches than we do. You cannot hire coaches at halftime or expect the players to somehow magically become better. They cannot somehow magically pull a passing game out of their ass because the coaches do not have a qb that could run one to begin with. Nah man, we are a one trick pony and until that changes it is what it is.

There is enough things to warrant Wilks not getting the job but you cannot use the schedule against him. He didn't decide what team we play or what their record will be as does any other coach. He has currently gone 4-3 against .500 teams or below. He is 0-2 against better competition. He started with a 1-5 record gifted to him in a shitty division. All the while using a team he did not build. He's old school and he's not completely wrong in his approach given the circumstances. To win consistently in this league you have to at least be able to run the ball and have a good defense. But you also have to have a balanced offense to be able to keep the opponent guessing. You want to stop the run? Go ahead. We will pick you apart through the air. Want to shut down the pass? Have at it. We will run it down your throat. Until we have the personal to do that we are stuck with what you are seeing now.

You will have to ask Wilks that question. I was hoping someone on the sideline would bring it up during the game but you saw what happened.

I couldn't have said it any better. Spot on brother.

Unless you count firing Hurney and Rhule as a positive. I call that a push because he kept one mistake on too long to hire the other mistake and kept the other mistake too long before he corrected that mistake.

All of that is true except for the assurance thing. I do not think he was guaranteed anything other than if he did an incredible job he would get an interview.