Jon Snow

I'm not sure they will start BY again if he's benched. They weren't going to the last time. It may be Hooker time.

We already have a bad vet on the team. They will let Young crash and burn one more game before he's benched again and will ride Andy for as long as they can until the season is over. If Andy goes down then I'm not sure what they do.

Only the Panthers mail it in.

Whatever happens will be done after the season no matter what.

I'm sure Arizona is saying the same thing. I'm feeling another double digit loss coming.

What rock have you been hiding under? We've discussed the defense on here since the game. Hell we've talked about it since Evero got here.

The all-22 is a great help to see who else screwed on a play. It try to see everyone during a play but it's hard to keep up with watching everything live. I saw a lot of bad but I'm sure I missed a lot as well.

Thats why I don't look at numbers. He looked like dog water most of the game. Another one in the bad column. He's going in the wrong direction. Just like the odds say he would.

I had this game penciled in as a loss already. This could be the last game of the Young experiment if he looks like he did last game. Its just a matter of time before it will implode.

It's too easy to get caught up in numbers. Trust your eyes.

...also time for names to be added to the list and names removed.

I never needed stats to tell me how a player is doing. I watch every snap and if they have more bad plays than good plays that is all I need to see. Young has more bad than he has good, by a wide margin. He was going to need to overcome an overwhelming size disadvantage coming into the league. He had to lead a dysfunctional, talentless team and turn it around. He had no chance and somehow the FO overlooked all of that. The fact that the odds of it being remotely successful were 1000:1 is all the reason you need. Tepper made his fortune taking gambles like this but that is in finance, you don't do that in football.

It was under thrown and off target. He was wide open. No excuse for that.

It's got to be.

And new ownership had everything to do with that. They hired people who know what they are doing and let them run the program. Here? Not so much.

It took new ownership to change the culture in that organization. We are not getting that here.

This^^^^

I'm pretty sure they've seen this movie before. They get paid no matter what so they will get over it.

I think it's becoming apparent that there isn't anything in the locker room to lose.

Well your definition of vet is ambiguous. Canales had his chance to pick another guy and chose to stand pat with Andy. That's on him, and Dan to some extent for allowing it or insisting on it, which is worse. Or you can blame Tepper for it all.

I remember the Europe stint but their practice squad is where I thought we picked him from. I remember the active roster as qb3 for a couple of years before ending up on the practice squad where we snatched him. I thought he was on the practice squad 2 years and the roster 1 year. Got it backwards.

Honestly, they needed to do this to force a decision once and for all. At least I hope that was the motivation. They know Andy isn't going to win many if any games at all so it's going to be Young or the next guy from the draft. They didn't want a backup coming in and winning a game or two to knock them further down the draft board. If that wasn't the plan going into this season then I'm not sure what we are doing here.

Their bast chance would be after this season, barring a miraculous turnaround in his play. But I think he will do just enough for the team to keep him on the roster in hopes a miracle happens until his rookie contract is up.

Dalton will not be here next season. I'm guessing Young will be here unless he's traded. They still control him for 2 more years so who knows. Who the starter will be i haven't a clue as I left my crystal ball in my other pants.