JawnyBlaze

Different stat than mine but helps paint a fuller picture. 6th best pocket time is actually pretty impressive by the OL.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#yards I mentioned it at one point recently, saw it mentioned on twitter or something. I couldn’t get the list to sort by “TT” when I pulled it up myself, but when I followed the link the first time I saw it it was sorted that way. 14th longest time to throw at 2.9s. I wasn’t surprised, watching the games most of his sacks came after he had 5+ seconds. It was actually rare for defenders to just blow through the line and get to him quickly, they mostly came from him being oblivious to edge defenders eventually working their way to him because he couldn’t read the field or make a decision. The OL wasn’t good, but nowhere near as bad as a lot want to make out because they just see Bryce on the ground again and mentally log it as another fail by the OL rather than analyze the situation enough to realize it was actually on Bryce.

Two things are almost certainly true: 1) The Texans did a better job last offseason preparing for a rookie QB and improving their team. 2) Stroud is a much better QB than Young (and always was.) If we had taken the right QB, we’d have probably gotten 6-9 wins this year and best case scenario squeaked into the playoffs instead of the Bucs and had the honor of bouncing the Eagles out before getting mashed by the Lions while the Texans would have gotten 4-7 wins and people would be saying they need a new line because of Young stepping into pressure, holding the ball too long and lacking any kind of pocket awareness. Nico Collins would still be a breakout candidate l, if only they would throw him the ball.

Yea a lot is put into these “good coaches wouldn’t want to come here” narratives but in the end money talks, as well as ego. Would be a helluva feather in the cap to turn this franchise and QB around. I don’t think anyone is turning their nose up at Carolina, and a report from one of the main “insiders”, I forget which, said as much a few weeks ago.

Andy Reid

If Hurts plays like he did last year for another six or seven years, he’s in the talk. Rushing records and the MVP aren’t the only thing that Cam has there. Carrying a barren offense for so many years with inept coaching is probably the bigger accomplishment and Hurts hasn’t had to face that yet.

Alabama was the OSU of QBs before OSU was. OSU had what, 2 or 3 guys who were good in college and didn’t pan out in the NFL? And those weren’t even drafted high if I recall correctly. Tua and Hurts are changing to perception of Bama QBs, but OSU’s perception was all media manufactured. If anything, the college that deserves that perception is USC.

The trade would have been a good one if we used the pick on Stroud. Fix the OL in the draft and FA (it’s not as bad as Bryce made them look, 14th longest time to pass in the league ain’t bad), find a solid WR and the team is ready. Defense is there.

There were some here I was sure were bipolar for how rabidly and aggressively they flipped from Stroud to Young before the draft.

I hope he can improve, and sure every QB misses open receivers occasionally but I can’t remember the another one that missed even close as consistently as Bryce. Even a lot of his balls that get caught are bad passes that receivers have to come back for or otherwise end what could have been a big play just to catch it. A stat I saw the other day, he had the 14th longest time to throw in the league, his OL wasn’t good but not as bad as a lot of people make out to be. He just had a habit of running toward pressure, absolutely no pocket presence and shockingly slow to process. I screamed “get rid of the ***** ball!” at the tv so many times this year my family thought I developed Tourette’s.

Took a long hiatus during the season, come back and people are remembering Stroud was the favorite here? That’s not how I remember it lol. I remember it was 50-50 for a little bit but as soon as that S2 nonsense came out there was only a few of us still on the Stroud bus. I said before the draft I liked him better than any prospect for years, up there with Luck. He was the most accurate college passer I ever remember seeing. But most here and in the media said it was just his receivers and superior team. I was wrong about Bryce though, I thought he’d be good (not Stroud good, but good) but I was mostly worried about durability. I said his accuracy was streaky but he was a playmaker backyard QB type. His accuracy is even worse than I thought and can’t make plays if you can’t hit the broad side of a barn more than 10 yards downfield.

What a bullshit call. That was PI, not holding

Uh was Luvu not being held there?

Ian Thomas got hit in the face because his arm was being held down in an obvious PI

Wtf no penalty on blatant late shot?!?

That was PI, held his arm down that he was trying to catch with

lol at the bitchfest continuing even on a 99 yard pick six. It was clearly obvious he slowed down halfway down the field a bit to let his blocker catch up cuz Cousins had an angle on him.

Damn you don’t make me pie you. You get a cheers, best I can do.

I’ve defended TMJ for the past two years and change. I’m just about done with that. If it doesn’t click this year then yea, Jarrett. Sometimes it takes three years. I’m done with him after that though.

Miles doesn’t suck at all. See OL thread for reasons he’s not putting up big numbers.

Eh, not really. We don’t have our guards, starting WR, RBs are different, instability at QB, new system means old roster is learning new schemes which means you can’t compare directly to last year. Plenty has changed and it’ll take time for it to settle in.

In order of impact, here’s what see (and none of this is unique, I’m just listing them in the order I think they’re having a negative effect) 1. The Guard problem. OLmen depend on the guy next to them. All three of the starters are struggling because they can’t depend on the guy next to them. It’s not like we’re missing our RG and RT and Ickey is struggling, that wouldn’t affect Ickey as much. None of our three starters playing has a reliable person next to them. 2. Predictability. Because our run plays are mostly vanilla and our pass plays are near the LoS it allows the defenders to cheat. The ATL Safety said that verbatim. When they know what kind of play is coming, whether it’s a run up the middle or a short pass play, it allows the defense to get the upper hand at the LoS, putting our OL at a disadvantage. 3. Scheme/fit. TBH I’m not knowledgeable enough about what scheme our OL is running vs what they’ve succeeded at in the past, so I’m just throwing it up here cuz there’s certainly a chance that there could be ill fitting pieces here since our offense changed with new coaches.

Both are just hating. Or at least premature.

Meh. What’s done is done. Having a top 5 pick in the second round would be better than a mid pick in the second round. Can’t rewind time, so whatever can help us in the future is what matters.

Yea, we lose this game I don’t see any kind of recovery for a respectable season possible. Not making the playoffs or anything was an understandable expectation. 0-6, likely to turn into a 2-4 win season would be a big disappointment.