JawnyBlaze

Last year Brown was pro bowl material though. Best DT in the league aside from Donald, imo. Being on a bad team and not winning the popularity contest doesn’t diminish the level he played at. The first two years I’d say he was very good to great at times. Last year he was elite.

Yea I appreciated that segment, discussing the roles of guys like Brown and Star and how losing Star negated Short’s ability to do what he was best at. For the gamers out there, Brown is a tank and guys like Short and Donald are dps. Dps ain’t gonna do much without the tank to give them the opportunity to do their damage heh

There isn’t a huge difference between 12 and 7 when talking about whether a position is drafted at that spot or not. No position is “not good value” at 7 but “good value” at 12. Ngata had 32 sacks in 12 years. He wasn’t a sack guy. I respect your opinion, but I greatly disagree that sacks are needed or even a good indicator of contribution or value at that position. Brown had been improving every year and started out well too. He’s not far off of Vea, if less at all (I’d have to watch more of Vea to give a strong opinion). And 5 sacks, 6 sacks, these are not significant numbers. For a position where sacks are tertiary at best, you have to judge based on how they disrupt the offense as a whole, not whether they get a sack every few games or not. It’s like saying a WR who gets 1300 receiving yards and 300 rushing yards is worth #7 but not a WR that gets 1300 receiving yards and 50 rushing yards.

Pretty unscientific claim. First of all, it was a poll conducted by betcarolina.com … there might be some audience bias there. And the questions asked were weird. “Don’t want to envision my life without my team”? Get some help, folks.

You absolutely take NTs that high. Think the Bucs regret spending a top 12 pick on Vea? What about Baltimore and Haloti Ngata? Good DTs like those two and Brown affect the game in other ways than their own pass rush. They disrupt an offense, whether by pushing the pocket into the lap of the QB or redirecting run plays or simply taking on blockers to give other defensive players freedom to do work. DTs like Brown are unsung heroes because they don’t stockpile stats but they are one of the biggest impact players on a defense, and for more than a sack a game or so. The best pass rushers in history didn’t even get their precious sacks more than 1.5 times a game.

I posted my answer before looking at any posts, thought I might be the only person to say Reggie White heh. He was a Panther and he was one of the most talented players of all time period. Counts to me. Doesn’t matter to me that by the time he played for us he had declined. I wanted to include Kevin Greene, but I couldn’t take off any of the other three. I debated swapping out Peppers for him, Greene’s numbers say a lot but in the end I saw Greene more on the effort side whereas Peppers was more on the talent side.

Cam, Smitty, Kuechly, Peppers, and Reggie White

Don’t have to get sacks for a DT to be elite. They can have a profound impact on a defense without stats.

He’s elite for his role, which isn’t to be Aaron Donald and yet is still critical for those around him. Same way Star was great in a way that casuals couldn’t appreciate.

There was a time before he gave up meat he was supposedly around 260, solid muscle.

Oh, maybe he’s not now. He was when he played for us the first time around.

Anyone on the team is a better OC than Shula was. Worst OC ever

Is he? Cam’s 6’5.5, 250. I know burns is similar weight but I thought he was like 6’4. I recall Cam being a smidge bigger than Burns but I could be mistaken

Heh an even better pic would be Bryce and Cam

Imo, immediate reaction: Bryce: A Mingo: A- Johnson: B- Zavala: A Robinson: C Woulda preferred Darnell Washington over Johnson, but we needed a rusher more than TE so I understand. Robinson has potential, woulda preferred a guy that had potential to play outside CB, but hard to find one of those in the 5th heh

Prescient.

We needed a pass rusher, not a traditional LB

Compared to Will Anderson? In this world.

We’ll see. How much development has he had by NFL coaches?

Cuz that OLB isn’t what we need, a pass rusher. And the hyperbole is counterproductive. Johnson is way bigger and almost as fast

Just on a surface level he reminds me of Demarcus Ware. I’m NOT saying he’s as good or anything, just first quick impression on his movement ability and size

Just saw Simpson go to Baltimore, he’s not even the same type of player as Johnson. More of a traditional LB, we obviously wanted a pass rusher OLB. Simpson is way smaller.

Both of those takes are bad. They’ve got so much draft capital why not trade up for the best defensive player in the draft. Better to have one stud than three jags.

Well he’s definitely got quick hands…

Definitely could have been gone before 93, been a bit of a run on these rushing OLBs. I like the pick based on what they said about him on nfln and his physical profile. We’ll see how he develops