LinvilleGorge

This is the narrative you're creating. The environment argument is valid. 100% for sure. But the point I'm making here is that Darnold and Mayfield didn't have raw talent issues. The issues with Bryce's talent level are all still there. He's doing a better job of doing what he can to compensate where he can but he's still a marginal NFL talent. You have to have a perfect environment to make that work. In other words, you need the system and the team to carry that guy. Like Purdy in SF. We're basically still sitting here hoping and praying that Bryce can be Brock Purdy. Bryce probably has better mobility but Purdy has a better arm. Still below NFL average but better than Bryce's.

The way you act you'd think it was a Joe Burrow situation where he was putting up MVP type numbers but we were still loosing, meanwhile he and we are at or near the bottom of the league in practically every passing category. You are deluding yourself out of sheer hope. I still hope Bryce proves me wrong but you spiking the football acting like it's already happened isn't even funny anymore it's just sad to watch at this point.

Physical vs mental. There's a chance the latter is fixable. The former isn't. There's a reason why old coach sayings like "you can't coach height" or "you can't coach speed" exist. It's because they're true. You might be able to coach someone up from a technique perspective and from a mental perspective but you can't fix a fundamental lack of talent. That's why the old saying "those who can't do coach" exists. It's weird this needs explaining.

My fault, I went back and looked and it was another poster who made that wild argument. You were simply arguing that the receiver should've done a better job trying to fight through the DBs to make the catch. I just don't think you're following the logic. I think I've laid it out pretty clearly. All three sucked (suck) here. Darnold is a prototype physical talent but seemed to have incurable mental issues. Baker checked the stature and athleticism boxes and has a big time arm but just seemed too erratic. Bryce oftentimes simply doesn't look like he physically belongs on an NFL field both from a size standpoint and physical traits standpoint. These are very different situations.

Exactly. That's different than Bryce.

Read what is being typed. Y'all are assuming a lot and you don't have to. It's been laid out. But you still think a receiver was supposed to maul his way through two DBs to get to a badly underthrown ball and dive down to catch a "jump ball" so I got a realize what I'm working with here.

Who was questioning their NFL athleticism and arm talent? Darnold is basically a prototype in terms of physical talent. Baker is a little undersized but he has a big time arm and decent mobility. Everyone was saying they sucked here but I don't recall anyone saying that it was because they lacked the prerequisite physical talent. Quite the opposite.

Absolutely false. Performance on the field does not equal raw physical talent. And it's absolutely false that I'm obsessed about size and arm strength. I've said repeatedly over the years that ideal size and arm strength gets QBs over drafted more than anything else. But you have to check the box. With today's more spread offenses and shotgun formations ideal size is less important than it was on the past but arm strength still matters. You don't have to be Josh Allen but it's a really tough row to hoe when you're Bryce Young.

Accurate in a talent vacuum but no one was questioning Mayfield and Darnold's NFL talent.

You can make the argument for sure, but no one was questioning the talent level of the other two even while they were here.

Very possible. Being able to sit back and take a breather and just be a student of the game under an excellent offensive coach couldn't have hurt. Then turn around and land in a great spot right after. After ending up in two of the worst situations in the league he managed to wind up in two of the best. Good for him.

This. Hated the trade for him and wanted no part of him here to be honest but always liked the person. Seems like a legitimately good guy and I'm happy to see him having success. It's been a long road for him. Says a lot about him for hanging in there.

I'm shocked that the Vikings actually fixed Darnold. It's gonna be interesting to see what they do moving forward having drafted McCarthy in the 1st this past draft.

We gave up on this: who did this to us today and this who did this to the Packers today to trade two 1sts, two 2nds, and DJ Moore for this

I'm not sure why we don't have him returning kicks. We'll see how he develops this coming off-season but at some point you gotta shift to trying to get some value out of him even if it means making him a poor man's Cordarelle Patterson.

RAC is a big part of why we drafted Legette. I'd be trying to scheme up ways to get him the ball because he's not an NFL WR right now.

Just lose. Come final draft order we're gonna really regret that Cardinals win.

When you get beat 48-14 there's nothing but blame to go around. Very little went right.

And how bad our offense had it trying to be carried by Bryce. That one is absolutely a two way street.

I honestly think it's to the point that our wish lists have to start where everyone else's end. Tepper has made us one of the absolutely least desirable NFL workplaces.

Obviously. When he said our days of mediocrity were over I didn't think that he meant that we were going to be perennial bottom dwellers.

Ladd was my clear #1 for us. I was right about that. But I can't get cocky. Ja'Lynn Polk was my #2 and that dude has been COMPLETE trash. LOL

We need a lot of new faces all across this roster. Probably every fan of teams that live in the top 10 of the draft say the same after every year. We're just not used to being constant bottom feeders. Inconsistent? Sure. But we used to always find a way to field a real team at least once every two or three years. We've been complete trash ever since Tepper came to town. We can blame this or that coach or player or unit or GM but there's one common theme tying them altogether.

He doesn't trust his hands. He's just not a good receiver. I had no desire to draft a guy who was still considered a raw prospect at 23 and did nothing in college until his super senior year. Mid-round boom or bust pick? Okay. Trade up into the 1st? Typical Tepper's Panthers.

I did you a favor. You're free.