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We've both been bottom feeders but their arrow sure does seem to be pointing up. We'll see if off-season and preseason promise translates to regular season success for them. But damn, Dart really did show a LOT of promise. They definitely have reason for optimism.

Well, sounds like Thielen is as good as gone. I wouldn't expect a coach to even entertain talking about trading a player in the days leading up to week one kicking off unless it was happening. Those types of questions are usually just flat out shot down by coaches.

I think he has a decent chance of not making the 53. He'd be no higher than 5th on the WR depth chart and didn't do anything to show out on special teams. I would prefer those bottom of the roster types to be special teams contributors.

Yep, it just doesn't make much sense given our current situation. The smart move would've been to just wait and see how his knees hold up this season first.

Yeah, I honestly don't see Horn making the roster unless moving AT frees up a spot for him.

Who's to say he wouldn't love it? He's from Minnesota. His wife is from Minnesota. He his entire college and pro career in Minnesota until he signed here.

We're the Panthers. Somehow everything we do comes back to bite us in the ass. LOL If Bryce regresses this year and we choose to move on its practically guaranteed he goes somewhere else and turns into the Lions' version of Jared Goff.

It can go that way too. Mine aren't so great either. Both of my MCLs are gone and both should probably be scoped to clean up some floating cartilage issues. I was told by a sports medicine doctor a decade ago that I'll probably have to have at least one knee replacement by the time I'm 50. I'm 43 now but honestly they're holding up better than I expected. The first hour or so of the day sucks but once I get limbered up I'm alright. Either that or I'm just used to it. LOL

To be fair, you can't do any worse than 32nd out of 32 since Tepper bought the team. You or me could've been calling the shots and we couldn't have done any worse than last.

While basically not practicing. These things usually continue progressing as long as the guy keeps playing. Do you really think grappling with other jumbo super athletes for 60 minutes once a week is improving chronic knee issues? Let's just be realistic here. He will get some improvement with his knees once he stops playing and sheds 75 pounds. As long as he keeps playing and carrying 300+ pounds they're gonna keep getting worse. That's just the reality of life for a biological creature.

Based on our past actions the answer isn't comforting.

Historically speaking, they sure seem less capable than many DIII programs. I really don't understand when Panthers fans pretend like this has been a competent organization. We've lost more games than any other team since Tepper bought this franchise. That's just the reality of the situation.

A doctor can't tell you how things are going to go with a chronic issue that's largely about pain management. Something one person can deal with another can't and it's not really about pain tolerance as much as it is just variance from one individual to the next. One person can be dealing with an issue that the images look like he should be barely getting around and he's actually doing alright. Another person can be dealing with an issue that doesn't look all that bad in images but he's practically crippled with pain. The best indicator is how things have been progressing and last year things took a considerable turn for the worst so obviously we decided to pay him. LOL

on admittedly bum knees Oh wee mayne

Because you left out the key pertinent CURRENT information. Your mindset is where the Panthers have been stuck for years. You don't pay someone for what they have done in the past, you pay them for what you expect them to do in the future. You shouldn't expect a 31 year old lineman with chronic knee issues who missed time last year and was barely able to practice to continue to hold up.

Sorry man, a 300+ pounder on the wrong side of 30 dealing with chronic knee issues is definitely a concern. BEFORE this extension most of us were saying that we hope he can hold up over the course of the season much less future seasons. Interpret Moron's words carefully. "Looking forward, I do believe I have another contract in me," Moton said, per The Athletic. "But right now my focus is on the 2025 season and making sure I do whatever I can to have the best season I can for everybody involved." "I do believe I have another contract in me." Not years of play, another CONTRACT. I hope I'm reading way too much into all this but I think we just got fleeced.

I'd say Renfrow would take his place in the locker room, moreso Coker on the field.

How is it overblown? He had to have his workload very carefully managed all season last year while still missing some games. Not because of an acute injury, but because of chronic knee issues. These things just do not get better with age while still playing football and carrying 300+ pounds.

Nice framing? You mean just telling the truth?

One of my non-Panthers serious football fan friends succinctly summed it up...

Because we haven't drafted anyone worth re-signing in awhile.

Renfrow

Oh wee mayne. That would be peak Panthering. LOL

At the expense of cap space down the road. Straight out of Hurney 101 school of NFL GMing. Kick that can. Just don't have Moton kick it himself, gotta watch those knees.

The man literally missed games last year and had to have his workload carefully managed. Why? Because of pain/discomfort and inability. A lot of chronic knee issues come down to pain management. No doctor can tell you how it's going to go. If they do they're lying to you. We know how it went last year.