LinvilleGorge

I wouldn't say it ended. I mean, the Bucs are in freefall and have lost 5 of their last 6. This is a live look at the Bucs and Panthers racing to the finish line in the NFC South...

When the opposing QB has a near statistical sweep over your guy you're usually going to lose and he didn't have a statistical sweep because we made life easy. He was sacked more than Bryce. Pressured more than Bryce. He threw balls downfield into tight windows. We were outplayed at the most important position in the game and that usually = L. You usually need some extenuating circumstances to overcome that.

I was remembering it being a little longer than that but that might be right. Fitz is 2/4 on 50+ for the season. I'm honestly not mad about the call. But we should have someone else practicing QB sneaks since little Bryce and geriatric Dalton can't do it. Let Rico or one of the TEs or XL or somebody do it. Somebody with the power to move the pile.

Watching a guy who has been one of it not the worst QB in the league this season feeling himself as much as JJ McCarthy is pretty damn wild. LOL

This is just the law of averages working out. We're not a very good team that got lucky and caught two playoff bound teams in poor weather conditions winning the turnover battle in those games and ultimately ending up with two unlikely wins. That gets balanced out by taking two bad unlikely losses.

Wasn't it gonna be a near 60 yard attempt? I'm sure the analytics say to go for it on 4th and 1 in that scenario but the analytics probably wouldn't be accounting for the inability to run a QB sneak.

Their health insurance is only seasonal. If the union is so powerful they should be able to use their leverage to negotiate a compensation package that wouldn't have the refs continuing to work their lawyer day jobs.

Pretty much. Making the playoffs for the first time in forever would be fun and with the Bucs in freefall it's still very possible. But I also realize that whoever wins this shitty division is probably just gonna be a doormat for a legit playoff team in the first round of the playoffs. We've only beaten two likely playoff teams and we had the good fortune of facing both of them in poor weather conditions limiting the effectiveness of their more potent offenses. It's been nice to have games in late November and December that are actually relevant and the two best rookie QBs this season being drafted in the late 1st and early 2nd round give me a grain of hope that maybe we could luck into the same.

Say what? They can't even get treated as full time employees. LOL

Yeah, that too. I'm not sure how Dart will pan out in the long run and he's gonna have to start being smarter about taking these unnecessary hits if he's gonna last long-term but yeah, I'd trade Bryce for him with no hesitation.

And Bryce is just blameless for his mediocre at best performance? Plenty of criticism for the coaching staff, Jaycee Horn, etc. But it's lil Bryce that people feel compelled to defend. His numbers vs. Shough's are what they are. Their QB was considerably better than ours and most of the time that happens the team on the plus side of that wins. We've just gotten cocky about being able to win in spite of Bryce this year. This is the way it usually goes.

That's what my Giants fan buddy and I have talked about. Really the only difference between us this year that they've largely lost the close games and we've largely won them.

We were 23rd in yardage and 28th in points going into today's game. We might fall in those after today. We were 17th in yards allowed and 16th in points allowed going into today's game. The D is roughly league average. The offense is well below it.

Probably 25 other NFL QBs.

Our only hope is that the Bucs are in freefall right now. They've completely collapsed. But let's be honest, whoever draws the NFC South champ in the 1st round of the playoffs is gonna be very happy.

Being over .500 after Week 15 when we've scored under 20 points 8 times and had under 300 yards 7 times is pretty wild. You win very few of those games. The margin for error with our typical offensive production is slim to none.

Yeah, we know our QB can't run a QB sneak but other teams have non-QBs run that play. The Steelers with geriatric Rodgers come to mind.

He got outplayed by a rookie 2nd rounder making his 6th NFL start and throwing for under 200 yards and barely over 60%. I get that there's a big Bryce curve, but it can't cover up for all that.

I respect the game of hockey but could never get into it. I'd rather watch terrible football than great hockey.

Are you serious? Most of Bryce's completions were to guys that were wide ass open. Not sure if we were scheming it up or the Saints' coverage was just ass, but there was no one near our receivers on most of the completions. Shough hit multiple guys in stride 10+ yards down the field who weren't that open. Those are the throws Bryce really struggles to make and that's what handcuffs our offense.

That's the "Bryce curve" grading scale. LOL Any other QB that throws for under 200 yards, barely over 60% completion rate, and under 7ypa gets blamed immediately for the loss. Especially when the other QB throws for over 250 yards, 75% completion percentage, and almost 8ypa. The difference today was that their QB moved the ball through the air with ease and ours struggled to do so. It's just that since ours has struggled so much worse than this in the past it's seen as a "good game". Again, the "Bryce curve".

He does. I'd trade Bryce for him without hesitation but the Saints wouldn't do it nor should they.

Let's be honest. He made 3-4 throws today that would've been in Bryce's top 10 for the season. And he's a 2nd round rookie.

You still don't realize that it's Bryce that handcuffs this offense. He's why the opposing D is keying so hard against the run and sitting on the short stuff.

He's just not good enough. We need everything else to go perfect to win with Bryce. He got outplayed today by a 2nd round rookie. That was the biggest difference in the game today. Their QB was better than ours. Throwing at a 63% clip with a 6.8ypa average just isn't getting it done. Especially when the opponent throws at a 75% clip with an 8.5ypa average.