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Do you realize that you didn't refute anything that I actually said? If we took him in the 5th or 6th, cool. But we took him in the middle of the 3rd and we traded a 3rd and 4th to move up to get him. IMO, we wanted to take an edge rusher fairly early and 14 were already off the board and pickings were getting slim. Again, IMO it was a significant reach for a 24 year old height/weight/speed athlete who played three different positions in college and didn't play any of them particularly well. When you're still trying to figure out where a 24 year old fits on the football field in his sixth season of college football he might just be an athlete and not a football player. I hope he proves me wrong, but my take isn't "lazy". You'd have no problem with the take if he was drafted by the 31 other teams not the Panthers.

Does anyone expect any rookie QB to NOT have some less than perfect practice outings?

I think we were committed to add an edge rusher fairly early in the draft and saw them flying off the board and kinda panicked.

If he showed promise somewhere he wouldn't have been bouncing around the roster. For reference, Brian Burns is only about six months older than DJ Johnson.

I can't imagine he doesn't want to job. It should be pretty easy, straight forward work. It's easy enough to tell somebody you're booked out for the next three months if you don't want the job or if you're a one man crew just tell them thanks but no thanks that it's more work than you want to take on by yourself. You're not going to go through the effort of writing up a detailed quote if you don't want the job. That takes considerable time and time is money in this game. At the end of the day, I don't know the local market. Could be that everyone is booked up and you can pretty much name your price and tell people to take it or leave it because there's plenty of work available. Honestly, it's largely still like that right now in WNC. If someone tells you they can get started right away you don't want them. There's plenty of work for people who are in demand.

You don't see it as much in the NFL but it's super common in the college game.

Co-starter with a guy who is too dumb to learn a playbook. Yikes.

I'm sure that helped you out some but probably not as much as you might think. Most contractors are getting somewhere around 30-35% profit margin so it's not like there's a huge amount of wiggle room to offer fat discounts. Doing it all at once as part of a bigger project gets you the convenience discount of already having the equipment and manpower onsite. It might've saved you at most 10% over doing it as a standalone project.

Nah, it's helpful. I'd expect it to run considerably more than that in the post-COVID inflationary clown world, but it just goes to highlight that $6k for simply framing it in is ludicrous.

Imagine being a guy who has bounced around the league occasionally sticking to rosters as a #3 TE always making league minimum and being like Ian Thomas has made HOW MUCH??? WTF??!!!

Based on his play and production, Ian Thomas should be a guy bouncing around the league trying to make a roster as a 3rd TE with his team constantly on the look out for a better option. Meanwhile, the Panthers pay him like he's a mid-level starter.

Yeah, given our OL concerns drafting Smith and Brown both would've been preferable over spending a draft pick on a LS

Here's my finished basement before I hid the wires. Sealed and painted the cinderblock walls. Just stained the concrete floors. Shiplap utility closet behind the TV. Drop tile ceiling for ease and for easy access to wiring/plumbing. Put in stained baseboards and trim to give it a more finished look. There's a framed and drywalled utility closet to the right of this picture that runs to the stairs. Terrible pic of that: Behind this picture is a kitchenette area to the right with a cabinet, sink, microwave, and refrigerator, then a straight wall all the way across that's framed and drywalled. Laundry room is to the left. 3/4 bath in the middle. 14x16 bedroom to the right that I currently left unfinished for storage but it would be an easy finish if we decided to sell to make it 4 bedrooms or what'll probably happen is that the kiddo will likely eventually want it as hers in an attempt to commandeer my mancave for herself. So basically the space is a combination of painted cinderblock, shiplap, and drywall walls with a stained concrete floor, stained wood trim, and drop tile ceiling. All in it's about 1600 square feet. Depending on what you have to work with you can just get creative with how to finish our as much of what you already have there to keep costs down and still end up with a nice looking very functional space without truly finishing everything out. I can always go back and drywall over the remaining cinderblock if I want it's just nowhere on my to-do list and I doubt it ever makes an appearance. To give full credit, most of this was done by the prior owners but they pretty much did roughly what I would've done. I just finished out the kitchenette, built the TV area, and finished out the shower in the bath. My philosophy when finishing out a basement for additional space is to work as much as you possibly can with what's already there.

The material prices seem pretty standard retail. I have no idea why he thinks he needs all that wood for barely over 1000 square feet or what he's planning to use the subflooring for. Not sure what you're planning on using this space for, but are you hellbent on drywall? Just saying because if you're just wanting a mancave you might be able to do this a helluva lot cheaper and still make a nice spot.

Whenever a guy who looked as dominant as he did at Bama lasts until the 6th round it brings up some major red flags. I think he probably just got by with being huge in college and being surrounded by NFL talent. They could make up for his weaknesses and highlight his strengths. It's harder to do that in the NFL. NFL coordinators are very good at identifying and exploiting glaring weaknesses. His glaring weaknesses are agility and overall athleticism. He's probably just a big dude who got by with simply mauling smaller opponents at the college level and that's why he wasn't a coveted NFL prospect. I still think he was worth a gamble in the 6th round so I ain't mad even if he doesn't work out.

My Dad is a contractor and I've helped him out quite a bit in the past.Lumber went sky high during COVID. I can't comment on the pricing without knowing the specific plans but I can make a guess. Are you talking just framing it in and keeping it as one open finished space or are you finishing it out with multiple rooms? If he's planning to finish it in two days working alone I'm definitely assuming one open finished space. Let's say he's busting ass and working legit 10 hour days. That's 20 hours of labor with no help to pay. That means he's paying himself $200 an hour and that's only if he's actually going to put in 20 legit working hours over two days. That's absolutely absurd for labor. Hell, buy me a plane ticket and I'll fly up there and do it for "only" $100 an hour. I'm sensing lots of red flags here but give me some more details about what you're looking to do with this space here. My initial guess is that this framing price is sky ass high, both on the material side and the labor side. This feels more like the type of price I would've expected for finished out walls for a basement of this size meaning framing, sheetrock, and mud.

Another good one to tonight. I gotta get rid of that damn light pole. The previous owners had it installed and I immediately had it disabled. I don't live way out here in the sticks out of sight of neighbors to have a damn streetlight in my driveway. The wild turkeys were NOT happy during that storm.

I don't know. Ron sure did talk a big game about the new 3-4 defense they were gonna run his final year here then it looked like the exact same D we'd been running the whole time.

It'll be wild if we actually have a staff that adapts to the talent on hand versus trying to force square pegs into round holes. I don't think we've ever had that.

This is a great short-term bandaid but it also signals that they don't see YGM as the answer and that DJ Johnson is likely not ready to contribute as a 24 year old rookie. From a 2023 roster standpoint I love the move, but I think it also says that the future of our edge rusher group is very much a work in progress. That's something that shouldn't come as a surprise to any Panthers fan paying much attention.

Yeah, the draft is definitely a crap shoot. There will always be steals and busts in every draft class. All in saying is that I'd rather not draft older prospects who are still raw with premium picks. We eventually spent a 3rd and a 4th to draft Johnson. If I'm being honest, a single 5th would've probably been the ceiling of what I'd been willing to spend. Like I said, hope he proves me wrong. No one will be happier than me if he does.

24 year old rookies shouldn't still be considered raw prospects. Yeah, Addison finally came into his own... with his 5th NFL team. Good for us. Didn't mean much for the team that drafted him. If Johnson takes a similar path the end result will still be a failed draft pick by us. Addison had more sacks in his final college season than Johnson had in his career. He went from DE to TE to LB. They were moving him all over the place trying to find a spot where his athletic talents could make an impact and it just never really happened.

The reports out of their camp regarding the OL (specifically the interior OL) have been utterly abysmal.

Not a 5th. A mid-3rd rounder. We traded a 3rd and a 4th to move up to get him. A 5th would've been understandable and I doubt you'd be seeing this thread if he was a 5th.