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Well, fug it. Offer them a 5th rounder or something. I'd rather do that than pickup Bryce's option.

"They're playing the way they have to play with Bryce Young at QB." Some of y'all need to listen to that about 30 times in a row.

I'd honestly rather sign Mac Jones as a bandaid.

So far this year, our D has either been great or virtually non-existent, oftentimes both within the same game. So who knows?

This is what I want to know. We spent a ton of assets to get Bryce and we've done the right thing by him in investing tons of assets in trying to put an OL in front of him and weapons around him and the best we've seen is mid-tier starter type play and even that only erratically. So far, this season is looking like the worst case scenario. Bryce keeps doing just enough to keep the organization clinging to hope. All I wanted out of Bryce this year was boom or bust, anything other than mid. We need teams to adjust to our newfound dominant running game so that we can get that. I fully expect Bryce to regress again once we don't have best in the league RB play behind him but with this soft patch of scheduling I'm afraid he's gonna be able to do just enough to leave the organization still clinging to hope. Just please prove me wrong and be that guy or go back to faceplanting. This stuck on purgatory stuff has to stop.

He rushed for 74 more yards than Chuba did last year. He also played in all 17 games versus 15 for Chuba.

He's played like an average starter in maybe a third of his career games. Below average to bad in the rest. My point is that if you put a 200 yard RB behind pretty much any NFL roster caliber QB he's going to be able to play like an average starter leaning on that running game. But we're talking about a third year #1 overall pick with 30+ starts under his belt and we're still having to grade on a massive curve like we're playing some young mid-round pick who was drafted to be a backup. If that was the type of guy we were playing yeah, everyone could be happy about it but it's not. It's a guy we mortgaged the franchise on because the organization thought they were getting a franchise QB who could carry a team and we're still having to try to find ways to carry him.

Yeah, Bryce is basically playing like an average starter while riding the best RB in the league. Not saying Dowdle is the best RB in the league overall, but he has been over the past two weeks.

Dead serious. Put Hurts on this team and import their offensive system and we could largely duplicate what they do. Our OL is at least as good. They have two really good WRs but the offense isn't really built to heat utilize them. Barkley has regressed pretty hard from last year's peak. Dowdle is literally out playing him. Hell, he's outplaying every RB in the league over the past two weeks. THAT is the story with the Panthers right now. Yeah, Bryce has been playing better again but he's been playing better while riding a backup RB who has been the best offensive player in the league over the past two weeks.

That's because you're reaching HARD. You're gonna blow your back out with these reaches. Flacco literally threw for nearly 100 more yards against a significantly better team.

We have a great offensive line and two really good RBs. Dowdle has pretty much been the best player in the league over the past two weeks. AJ Brown seems like he wants out of Philly because he isn't being used.

Pretty much. I mean, we have the tools to largely duplicate what the Eagles are on offense.

No. That's not it at all. QBs either help lift up a team (elite to good starting QB), basically get you what you'd expect out of the overall roster (average starter), or hold you back (below average to bad starter). The Eagles built an offense around Hurts' strengths. Would he be as good here in this offense? No. Better than Bryce? Yeah, I'd confidently say that. Would the Eagles be worse with Bryce than Hurts? A lot worse. You seem to think Bryce is in that "average starter" category but that's where Bryce has peaked. "Good Bryce" has been in that category, but typical Bryce I had firmly been the the "below average to bad starter" category. I mean, 40 year old Flacco just came off the bench after being on a team for a matter of days and put up what would be Bryce's best game ever.

You can't possibly be serious

Hurts? HURTS?! Super Bowl MVP Hurts? 2x Pro Bowler Hurts? 2nd team All-Pro Hurts? GTFO of here with that nonsense. LOL

Watching those throws Drake Maye was making on a dead run threading lasers into tight coverage on the sidelines over and over in that game against the Bills... these people need to go watch that and be honest with themselves. Jump to the 1:20 mark. Pretty much every play after that mark is a play that Bryce is simply incapable of making. And yeah, I'm a Heels fan but I'm specifically using Maye here because he's another young highly drafted QB not an established top tier player. Seems like a fair apples to apples comparison versus using a Mahomes or Allen.

Tepper thinks little Bryce is Tom Brady in the making... damn, if that doesn't track. LOLOLOL Just wait. There's no pressing need to do anything right now. If Bryce continues to be an effective game manager, consider picking up the option to buy us more time. But no one should be surprised if he takes another slide when we don't have a RB putting up GOAT type numbers.

Suddenly finding a running game helped a LOT. Thursday night games are just weird. Seems like a crap shoot. Last night was highly likely just an anomaly and the Bengals will go back to sucking ass soon. I certainly don't think that 40 year old Joe Flacco is gonna keep putting up nearly 350 yards and 3 TDs on a weekly basis.

That's part of the problem. Do the right thing long-term and let Bryce walk to roll the dice and it'll get you fired if we go backwards in the short-term. Pick up his option and keep limping along and it might buy you another year of employment at the cost of potentially setting back the organization moving forward. The right thing to do is move on but I get why if you're sitting in Panthers' HQ you feel caught between a rock and a hard place and find yourself desperately clinging to the hope that Bryce will work out while deep down likely understanding that's a pipedream.

Yep. That's why I've been saying that if Bryce continue to be an effective game manager I wouldn't be opposed to picking up his 5th year option to buy us more time. I wouldn't be thrilled about it but I'd understand it. I just wouldn't feel any pressing need to do anything right now because no one should be surprised if Bryce takes another slide when our RB doesn't play like prime Adrian Peterson.

It becomes damn near impossible if we exclude guys who are backups forced into playing by injury. Even considering Cam Ward's rookie struggles if the Titans called me offering a straight up trade Ward for Bryce I'm taking it. Is Bryce playing better right now? Yes. But I'd be getting a more talented prospect and more years of a rookie QB contract. Put an OL in front of him and a 200 yard RB behind him and I think Ward is at least equal to Bryce st the moment with a lot higher ceiling.

If we divide the league up into quarters you need to be able to make 8 worse starting QBs for him not to be bottom tier. Who are they?

It just doesn't add up to what we're watching. It feels like you're trying to convince yourself that Bryce can just make a few adjustments and pan out. You say he turns the ball over because he's over aggressive and I just don't see that. A lot of his turnovers are just bad throws oftentimes because the balls sails in him. The fumble issues? I mean, you have the smallest QB in the NFL getting hit by extremely large powerful kej who knows based on film study that this guy is prone to coughing up the ball. If you're being hit by a much larger, much more powerful man intent on removing the ball from your possession you're gonna lose that battle a decent amount of the time. I think some of it is due to bad footwork but some of it is also that when there's traffic in front of him he has to try to get the ball up and over that pressure due to his lack of height. His release point it just several inches lower than most NFL QBs, no way around it. You saying it's more difficult than simply looking at outcomes while completely leaning on situational stats to try to convince people their eyes are lying to them and Bryce's arm isn't a significantly limiting factor in his game. Some people are hyperbolic about his lack of arm strength but honestly he has one of the weakest arms in the league. That's just reality if you objectively watch him play versus other NFL QBs. If he had time in a clean pocket and can step up into and through his throw he can make most throws but that's the problem, for him to make the tougher throws everything has to go perfect. If there's pressure pushing him off his spot or pressure in front of him where he can't step up or has to try to loft the pass over the scrum it's probably ending in a poor result. The problem is that's a commonplace scenario in the NFL. It wasn't at Alabama. Trust your own QB analytical system. Bryce being very the bottom of the league matches up perfectly with the eye test of just watching him olay

Truly bizarre. We have a poster who shows back up claiming deep scouting knowledge and his very own QB analytical system that admittedly ranks Bryce 25th among NFL QBs this season stumping hard for Bryce and trying to convince everyone their eyes are lying to them and his arm isn't much of a limiting factor at all. Make it make sense. I can't.

1st INT was a bad read and a bad pass. 2nd INT was just a great play by the DB.