LinvilleGorge

Thanks. We really try to let people speak their minds. We don't censor any football opinions. Pretty much the only things that get hands smacked around here are over the top or constant personal attacks or personal bickering and getting political. Other than that, pretty much have at it. And hell, even then if you want you can go to the TB and do all the personal attacking and political nonsense you want. Pretty much the only thing that is out of bounds over there is doxxing, blatant racism, and death threats. Seriously.

Actually it's just the max speed on the route. So you could suck getting off the line, making your breaks, etc. as long as you were running fast somewhere along the way.

I do want to know about this methodology though. Is a screen a "route" because if so, then yeah our average route speed is gonna be sloooooow.

40 time isn't everything for sure and good route runners will be faster on the field than bad route runners, but when everyone has good 40 tikes and everyone is playing slow there's a bigger problem than the physical speed of the players.

Seriously. I've been saying it for awhile. If I was Tepper, the phone call would go something along the lines of... "Listen, I admit it. I thought this was going to be easy. I thought I was going to come into the NFL with a new way of thinking and analysis and just dominate the league. But it hasn't been easy and I have fuged everything up and the harder I try the worse I fug things up. I know you're retired and I'm not asking you to be the GM or really any long-term role. What I'm asking of you and is to come in on a consultant basis and build me a football organization that will consistently field a team that I can be proud of. I swear to god I'll butt out and leave them alone. So here it is, blank check (within reason) to build the football organization of your dreams and then ride away into the sunset or hang around in a consultant role if you choose. I just desperately need help cleaning up the mess I've made."

Look at the stands. Notice the lack of Panthers gear folks are wearing when you're out and about. Tepper is killing this fanbase with his product. If we banned people for being negative there would be about five posters left.

So why is this? I mean, we all knew Thielen had lost a step so that's not surprising. But DJ Chark ran a 4.34. TMJ ran a 4.38. Mingo ran a 4.46. These guys are fast. How are we making them look slow? This is a coaching/system issue more than it is a physical lack of speed issue.

I have to admit that this is not what I thought he meant when he assured us that our days of mediocrity were over. I mean, technically speaking he did not lie but I find myself longing for the days of mediocrity.

I agree that Bryce isn't the problem. Neither is Reich or Fitterer or the roster. The problem is on the owner suite. Those other people are part of the problem but ultimately David Tepper is THE problem.

@Mr. Scot whether you stick around or not I wish you and yours nothing but the best brother.

Yep, that's him. He's probably a SS in today's game if he could even play. It's just a different era of passing game and speed/quickness is king.

I mean, yeah. Pretty much. And ironically, I don't even think the Legion of Boom approach to the secondary even translates well to today's game. I mean, Sherman and Earl Thomas do but Chancellor is a LB in today's game and I don't see that other big CB that played opposite Sherman (can't remember his name off hand) translating well to today's game.

I'm being completely honest. We can't look at the offense it became in 2011 and became in 2023. Make an honest appraisal of the talent going into those seasons. There isn't this massive difference you're trying to make. Smitty barely had over 550 yards in 2010. Under 1000 in 2009. A lot of us thought he was basically washed up. The 2011 offense VASTLY exceeded all expectations. This year's has vastly underperformed. I don't think the QB position is the sole reason behind that, but I think it's a big part of the story. I keep going back to that Seattle game when there was a change at QB.

I really don't. That's the honest truth. We had two good RBs in 2011 but we went out and signed a 1200+ yard RB this year. He looks like a bust of a signing but is it because of him or us or a combo of the two? We went out and signed Shockey and traded for Olsen in 2011. Olsen became great but he was a disappointment of a 1st round pick when we traded for him. We went out and signed a high level FA TE this year. I didn't like the signing but it is what it is. We thought he was going to really help. He was basically an Olsen level acquisition if you look at their comparative prior performances. Our #2 and #3 WRs were Brandon Lafell and Legedu Naanee. Look at what those guys accomplished sans Cam Newton. We had a pretty good OL in 2011. Gross, Wharton, and Kalil made up the best left side we've ever had. On the right we had a JAG in Hangartner and a disaster in Bell. This year we have a top 10 pick LT who was very promising as a rookie, a good center, trash OGs, and the best overall OT we've had since Gross at RT. I'd take the 2011 OL but it's not like they were this years Niners. I just think it's a lot of cope and revisionism to paint the 2011 offense as leaps and bounds better based on what we understood going into those seasons. All I'm gonna say is that there's a big reason why QB is considered the most important position in all of sports. The right guy makes everything look better.

He usually makes them. That's the difference. When you make a trade like this you think you're getting a QB that can elevate an offense. What it looks like we actually got is a QB that needs the offense to elevate him.

I honestly don't know. I don't know if that system and surrounding talent would've been enough. I'm afraid he might need a Niners or Dolphins type situation.

They were especially tiers better at the QB position.

Why is it that the fans who are trying to remain hopeful are so bothered by the frustrated fans? If it's not working for you, no one is forcing you to hang around. I'm not judging you for your optimism. But the optimistic sure do seem to be getting increasingly judgemental.

Then what exactly do you mean? It just seems like the people wanting to remain hopeful have simply redirected their ire at the fans who are disgusted with what they're seeing

Would you be happier if we just banned any and all dissent? Would that make it easier for you? When you're 0-5 and have a streak of losing seasons leading up to being 0-5 you're not going to find a lot of positive takes. Sorry.

Just listen to the man himself. Every time we make on of these bold moves he's there to give a presser and proudly brag about his personal involvement in this decision. Then when it inevitably goes to poo he fades into the background until he throws someone under the bus then he's back in the spotlight once again bragging about his personal involvement in this decision and something about mediocrity not being tolerated and something about analytics and moving forward with a plan.

So goes the team so goes the fanbase. When the team is a clusterfug the fandom will be a clusterfug. This isn't a new phenomenon. I'm just going to go back to my pre-Peppers ways. Keep an eye on the Panthers out of casual interest since they're the local team but other than that generally just watch whatever the best matchup is at that time and follow players that interest me on other teams. It's just not worth it to stay heavily emotionally invested in this organization right now. It's like staying in an abusive relationship at this point.

These are all Tepper's people. Ever since he decided to start putting his stamp on the football side of the house after focusing on the business side in year one we've been on a freefall to the bottom.

A lot of injuries on D. A lot of turnovers and just ineffectiveness on offense putting more pressure on the D. It's all just a recipe for disaster. 0-5 ain't a fluke. We've earned it.