LinvilleGorge

Do I think Spoon was the best of the bunch? Yeah. Do I put him head and shoulders above the others? No.

I mean, it was a great 1-2 punch of RBs but at a tremendous cost that limited the rest of the roster.

Three 100+ tackle seasons in 12. All three guys peaked around the same level.

He had three 100+ tackle seasons in 10 season. Shaq has had four in 11.

I wouldn't go that far. He's basically a James Anderson/Will Witherspoon level player. Check the box starter. Not a problem area but not a guy you make a cornerstone of your defense either.

Shaq at $1.25M would've been a great addition but let's be honest... who's passing up an opportunity to play for the Bills right now to sign with the Panthers? Shaq has made plenty of money. Unless we were willing to offer him stupid money again yeah, I'd much rather play for the Bills currently.

I say he's a run of the mill starter. You say he has had a decent career. We're saying the same thing. I never had any issues with Shaq. My issues were with the Panthers in that one, we drafted a player in the 1st round at a position of our greatest strength when there were options available that would've provided us with more initial help. You make a move like that because you think a guy is special, that he's by far and away the best talent available. Two, after he had proven to be good but not great (basically a run of the mill starter) on the field, we turn around and pay him like he's a future HOFer. These aren't issues with Shaq. They're issues with the organization.

I don't even blame Remmers. The Falcons did us a massive favor showing us his Achilles heel in our lone regular season loss. They ruined our perfect season but in doing so they should've helped us win the SH. Remmers absolutely couldn't handle an elite speed rusher one on one. Providing Remmers help on Von Miller out of the gate should have been plan A in SB50 and we needed to have a plan B of shifting to focus more on quick developing routes of our typical slow developing downfield passing game wasn't planning out. Remmers gets most of the blame from fans for the outcome of that game but honestly I put much more of the blame on Shula. Vic Beasley and the Falcons had already given you a preview. The Broncos players literally laughing in the post-game interviews about how we changed up literally nothing for that game was just the icing on the cake. Shula was playing checkers against Wade Phillips chess.

Yeah he clearly wanted nothing to do with a rookie QB and seeing what he's doing with an elite QB recruit at Nebraska (albeit a seemingly mentally ill or who is more interested in cosplaying another man than concentrating on being the best version of himself) maybe it starts to show why.

I liked JStew but he honestly might be the most overrated player amongst Panthers fans. Only one 1000 yard season and only two double digit TD seasons and all of that came within his first two seasons. He was a good player, don't get me wrong. But he was terrible ROI on a 1st round RB pick that also limited the ROI on our other (better) 1st round RB. If you look through his stats and tell me he was a mid-round pick it's like sweet. Nice pick. But if you look through his stats and tell me he was a 1st rounder it's like oof. Not great.

Honestly, Herbert would've likely busted here.

Pretty crazy how lucrative being a run of the mill NFL starter is. I guess it's a lot more lucrative when you have Marty Hurney and his "if we pay them like they're elite then they'll play like they're elite" mentality banging out the contracts.

The Giants are still flailing around in the mess he made up there too. Dude was an atrocious GM and just caught lightning in a bottle with those bargain basement free agents going into 2015 and his ego convinced him he could replicate that over and over again while he annihilated rosters.

He was drafted in 2012. I'm talking the 2011 draft. We drafted Cam then a bunch of guys who flat out didn't belong in the NFL.

After we drafted Cam #1 overall in 2011 I honestly think we may have fared better simply throwing darts at the draft board for the rest of our picks. Couldn't have fared much worse.

Hurney in the 1st round Hurney after the 1st round

I just turned on the TV and it was on ESPN2 and I've never seen stands so deserted. I think it's Missouri State and Middle Tennessee State. I don't think there's 50 people on the stands. There's literally way more people on each sideline than in the stands. There will be more people at my daughter's 4th grade soccer game tomorrow night. LOL

Worth the short term hit to get him out of there.

Sounds like the end is imminent. Good.

A big part of this plot was probably handing the torch over but this has been such a poo show he may have instead completely tanked his son's career. I mean, I can't exactly feel sorry for anyone when blatant nepotism blows up in their face but the guy would be infinitely better off back at Washington.

Hopefully some UNC booster has media ties and can get him a deal. Please god. No one is going to want any part of him with that succubus in tow though. The ship has sailed on getting another opportunity with her in the picture.

At this point I think everyone at PFF is just trying to get on Tepper's payroll.

Hopefully all for cause. Lots of talk about violations. Imagine cheating in the recruiting trail to assemble this mess of a roster. LOL I mean, Belichick cheating? No one could be surprised there. But damn, if you're gonna cheat at least do it in the process of building a winner. Don't cheat to build a dumpster fire. That can be done easily enough on the up and up.

At this point I just hope he's given them the ammo to go full Al Davis on Lane Kiffin and fire him for cause and not have to buy out his contract. That seems like by far the best bad outcome possible. If he had, I'd go to his agent and offer him a quarter of the buyout and be willing to go up to a third as an act of good faith and just to make this go away as quickly and quietly as possible but know that if you turn this down we'll see in court and we're going full scorched earth.

I do think it's improved but still not good. "Improved" isn't saying much when you just have to avoid being the worst ever to pull it off. LOL