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It's definitely very possible but I hope not. Ball out or suck ass is my hope. That's what we need. Clarity.

This is the worst case scenario. Purgatory. I want him to boom or keep busting this year. Make it clear. Either you're the guy or you're not. Don't leave us wondering.

This. Just because I very seriously doubt that Bryce can succeed doesn't mean I won't be very happy to be wrong about it.

The only people he deceived are the folks who were already believers and were viewing through confirmation bias goggles. Lots of us were joking around last year during the combine about Bryce hiding all week in that hoodie with his little school kid backpack. It was a ridiculous look with everyone else there looking like Instagram "models" in tight fitting clothing to show off their physiques.

I get it. I guess I just don't consider it "deceptive" because the prospect is clearly saying one of two things. Either A) he's confident sitting on his draft status as is and doesn't think he can improve it or B) he's just flat out admitting that he'll perform poorly. With Bryce I honestly think it was basically both.

No.

He's had less than 150 receiving yards in two of his three seasons. Cutting him is basically cutting nothing. That's what I'm saying. An off the couch free agent or hell even a UDFA rookie could reasonably replace him. With a new staff coming in he doesn't even have the advantage of already knowing the offense.

If you're wanting to instill a new culture of toughness and accountability he's probably gotta go. Not like you'd be losing much. He could easily be replaced by a late round pick or someone off the FA scrap heap after roster cut downs.

Moose was very good. DJ was very good. But when you're left with just a handful of good picks at a position where you routinely carry 4+ players on your roster that's overall terrible.

Yeah, the subject matter means it's inevitably gonna end up in the TB so just redirect there.

If he had a Pro Bowl type of season we probably wouldn't have sucked and we'd be re-signing him.

Given our overall WR situation, I doubt that

Sorry for what you're going through right now. Honestly, if you're local I'd just go down there and talk to them in person. I think that's probably you're best bet. If you know an active member at any of the churches I'd contact them first though. Best of luck.

I honestly don't know where all this angst about Bryce not throwing is coming from. Seems like a lot of folks wanna be mad at Bryce for duping the Panthers when it's 100% the Panthers fault that they got duped.

Chark should be gone. He's just a bad pairing with Bryce. His biggest strength is Bryce's biggest weakness. I'm ready to throw in the towel on TMJ.

I'm just saying that if you don't have a cannon at the NFL level you better have pinpoint accuracy. On his rookie year, Bryce showed a subpar arm with probably average short to midrange accuracy and subpar deep accuracy. That's not gonna work. That's not gonna get it done in the NFL.

That play kinda shows what I'm talking about with Bryce though. Burrow put a ball right on the hands of a well covered receiver in stride. Bryce put a ball on the ass cheek of a guy open by 5+ yards.

I was skeptical about Burrow until I watched him against Clemson. That sold me. Burrow doesn't have an elite arm for sure. His arm is probably about average if not a bit below average for an NFL starter. But his arm is significantly better than Bryce's. Literally the very first play of the game I was like, yep I'm done. Sold. Sell it all and go get me that guy.

Who are the starting QBs we'd honestly rank below Bryce in arm strength? Mac Jones is probably closest and I still think his arm is probably better to be honest.

Oh for sure. Bryce is never gonna be confused with Cam Newton in any way, shape, or form. Bryce can effectively scramble though. And if he can improve his threat as a passer it'll open up more scrambling opportunities. Making this work with Bryce is gonna be all about retooling the passing game to be built around YAC. We probably need to have more rollouts too. Bryce struggles to see downfield in the pocket and is a decent thrower on the move. Get him on the move. It sucks to admit that the #1 overall pick is gonna have to be a system QB but it is what it is. Nobody will care if we're winning. Purdy is a system QB and the Niners are on the SB. I'm sure they get very sensitive about that but at the end of the day they're in the SB and right now that's all that really matters.

Given the subject matter these threads are always gonna be destined for the TB.

I don't think Bryce has an "elite" 40 time by any means but I do think his mobility is a plus. I think he did a better job later in the season adjusting to the speed of the game with his scrambling. He was getting ran down left and right earlier in the year.

Yeah, most of those reported 40 times prove to be significantly exaggerated when they actually legit run. Bryce is probably somewhere in the 4.6 to 4.7 range. They're going off his reported 4.52. I just don't see that type of speed in his play. With most reported college 40 times you're pretty safe adding a full tenth to it to get you in the ballpark.

And he didn't even run a 40 leading up to the draft. No clue where they're pulling that number from and if it has any actual validity.

True. I couldn't recall when we finalized the trade. I honestly think he just knew it was in his best interest not to. He showed up at the combine for one reason - to step on a scale over 200 pounds. Yeah, he hit the buffets hard to do it and hid in that hoodie all weekend to not show off the flab but he accomplished what he came to do. Throwing beside guys like Stroud, Richardson, Levis, etc. wasn't gonna be a good comparative look for him. But I just don't blame any of this on the prospect. Your job as a draft prospect is to maximize your draft status, period. It's up to NFL front offices to wade through the available information and formulate their draft boards.