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I hope. That's what I've been saying for awhile. Our best bet is that Canales and Morgan want to move on at the position and they're trying to get Tepper onboard and they win in that effort.

Still beats watching Russell Wilson throw the ball into the dirt as soon as a defender gets within five yards of him, same as it beats watching Bryce throw another three yard pass on 3rd and long.

It's just criminal negligence at the most important position in the sport. We have a guy with zero NFL physical attributes that has opposing defenses basically running goal line type defensive looks against us in the middle of the field because he can't effectively move the ball through the air and a 40 year old with a broken thumb and the Panthers' response to that basically amounts to...

I have no idea why anyone watching these games would need stats to tell them that, but I do appreciate the effort.

Yep. Right now defenses can just stack the hell out of the box because they don't fear a vertical threat. They can completely focus on nullifying the run and the short passing game. I've been saying it for a long time but Bryce at QB essentially turns the entire field into red zone offense. What he's turned into as of late is turning the entire field into goalline offense. It just took a dominant few games from Rico to force our opponents to play us the way they should've been playing us once they had a few games of NFL tape on Bryce to study.

The relief of Giants fans to see Jameis starting this week over Russell Wilson is where we're at with Bryce. Hell, it's where most of us have been at for a long time now. Giants fans know that Winston is probably gonna throw three picks on Sunday but they'd rather see that than this paycheck cashing version of Russ who just doesn't want to take a hit.

fug it, let's see it. Nothing is worse than watching this anemic passing game that is stuck in neutral. I'd rather watch interceptions than this poo. Straight up.

We could've sent a 5th and 7th to Seattle in exchange for Howell and a 6th after seeing Dalton look completely washed for two preseason games but we sat on our hands. Not saying Howell would be our answer but 99/100 Panthers fans would be foaming at the mouth to see him start over Bryce right now if we'd made that move.

I honestly didn't completely hate re-signing Dalton at the time but preseason was a massive red flag. The response should've been "oh poo, we desperately need a backup QB". He looked BAD.

The play calling and now the words have been strongly suggesting that Canales is trying to navigate his way through a lack of a QB.

At least Shenault is a threat to do something with the ball in his hands. XL hasn't even shown me that. Doesn't seem to have great vision and as a runner and goes down easy. Honestly, XL doesn't look long for the league and Coker and probably Tremayne too should've already leapfrogged him on the depth chart.

He sounded like he'd had a bit of truth serum and by that I mean he sounded like he was four or five deep. Those beers tasted like he was about to say what he really thought about Bryce Young. LOL

Obviously Schlereth isn't familiar with the GWDs and big time throws. Embarrassing for a professional football commentator to be trusting his eyes leading to him talking out of his ass and not realizing the greatness he was missing.

The only surprising thing is that teams haven't been doing this to us ever since they had three or four games of tape on Bryce.

I've said numerous times on here that I've never seen a prospect completely dupe the entire football world like Bryce did. Usually the NFL is brutal at devaluing prospects with less than ideal physical traits yet there were endless mental gymnastics performed to create reasons why it wouldn't matter with Bryce. I don't think that makes me a "savant". I just think for whatever reason the entire NFL world got caught up in some type of mass group delusion. It was bizarre.

Again, who is claiming to be a QB savant here?

Who is claiming to be a QB savant? It was blatantly obvious Bryce didn't have the tools to be a high level starting NFL QB. What I was wrong about on Bryce was that he was actually a lot more limited than I even thought.

The issue is that the NFL insists on extending "franchise QB" money to mid-tier or worse starters. If your guy isn't legit MVP caliber then you're probably better off letting someone else pay him and moving on. But GMs and coaches want to keep their jobs so they pay these guys fearing the alternative. Let him walk and implode and you're fired. Sign him to franchise QB money and you can probably limp along for another 2-3 years before the cap hits start strangling the life out of the roster and maybe you can even exceed expectations if you can draft really well.

Yep, I said it for years. He's a huge asset on a rookie contract who becomes a huge liability on a franchise QB contract.

Do you remember how all that went down? They didn't "eventually" do anything. Hell, they were trying to trade for him before he was even released.

He's 10-17 overall so 3-6 following a win is roughly in line with expectations based on his overall record.

But Kaepernick didn't get colluded against either. The Broncos offered him a decent contract and he tried it down. Cam and The Golden Calf of Bristol didn't get colluded against either. It's just that when you're a backup QB you're supposed to be out of sight, out of mind. The last thing you want is a distraction. Is there collusion between teams on some things? Yeah, for sure. But I don't think it's happening on mid-late round draft picks and backup QBs.

Did you read my post? Do you have any disagreement? I mean, his physical skill set was very limited for an NFL QB. His scramble around hold the ball forever before chucking it up to the #2 overall pick playing style didn't translate to the NFL. He had a diva reputation that was only solidified by his treatment of the pre-draft process. Sometimes you just gotta apply Occam's Razor. Which is more likely, a league wide conspiracy or a guy who looked like a mid-late round draft prospect went in the mid-late rounds. You both into the media hype job. Now with that said, if I'm the Browns I'm gonna play him. Gabriel looks like pure trash.ight as well give Sanders a look. Nothing to lose.

Just reeks of bullshit. Good college QB but when you were watching him as an NFL prospect the physical limitations and playing style concerns were very obvious. Teams across the league almost certainly evaluated him as a backup QB prospect and the last thing you want out of a backup QB is a distraction. Strip away the media hype job, add in all the reports that Shedeur essentially completely blew off the pre-draft process and turned teams off essentially cementing what many already thought and nothing about his draft plummet was surprising. Watch the Browns draft room as the pick was announced. It's very obvious that wasn't their pick. The owner stepped on and said get me that press attention. Why would that have happened if there was a directive from the league not to draft him? It just doesn't pass the bullshit litmus test.

Even if he does clear that incredibly low bar, that's not something you trade for. Honestly, I think he'd probably be about the same as Bryce but double the turnovers.