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He just had to get his poo together for a minute. Got a little to gacked out on that Colombian marching powder, had to regroup.

It blows my mind how some guys just get opportunity after opportunity after opportunity despite being terrible. It's like front office types liked them as prospects, thought they were going to be good, they look like players, they have the measurables of players, this guy should be a player. So they just get chance after chance after chance because they just won't let reality unseat their prior opinion. We're kinda seeing it with Bryce right now. The jury is still out they say. If Bryce had been treated like practically every other QB prospect where they get nitpicked to death leading up to the draft the narrative would've been littered with questions about his size about his arm talent, etc. But it was just brushed aside. I've never seen so many red flags just get brushed aside because people had convinced themselves that a guy was special.

Hang on, I re-read this. At first I was reading it as a defense of the initial value chart the other poster used that was wildly off what we see on reality. That was confusing because I was reading it like... I mean, they're basically saying the same thing I am so how in the hell are they defending the idiocy in that other draft value chart??? lol Draft value charts are rough estimates. Nothing more, nothing less. The standard chart is the standard because year over year it's usually in the ballpark. Likely because most teams are using it as a guideline.

I've spent a decent amount of time in your area. Used to have a major distributor based in Spokane and several key accounts in western Montana. I'd always either fly into Spokane or Billings and out the other hitting Missoula, Helena, Bozeman, and Kalispell in between. Made the haul out to Dry Falls once just to see it because my flight left in the mid-afternoon and I'd already wrapped up everything I needed to do. Cool thing to see but not the best of drives between there and Spokane. Reminds me of southern Idaho. That drive between Boise and Pocatello is BRUTAL.

I like the tip of the Olympic Peninsula up around Sequim. And I like eastern Washington. The I-5 corridor... just ugh

Solid.

We need bodies. I just hope it's not a big money deal.

He's honestly just had more opportunity. They're pretty much the same guy.

Yeah, Pete was a QB whisperer.

I hate that town. Maybe even more than DC.

Y'all, the actual pick differential value is the equivalent of a mid-4th. That chart the other poster used was created by PFF analysts. LOL

I don't know if the math per that chart value is correct but if it is it's safe to just disregard that value chart moving forward. In no universe would you be able to trade 102 + 179 + 199 for 78 and 152. Using the standard trade chart you'd land at a 70ish point difference, the equivalent of a mid-4th. *Okay, went and looked at that draft value chart and didn't bother doing the math because the chart is laughably absurd. According to that chart you could trade up from #32 to #22 in the 1st round simply by tossing in the last pick of the draft. It wildly overvalues late round picks. That chart is trash.

You knew he was gonna be traded as soon as they signed Mariota. Most pegged his trade value as "at least" a 4th. No clue how the trade pick value works out on that swap. Feels like the Commanders kinda got hosed though.

I feel for her. She should do what I've done every time I've found myself in a sales role with a shitty product or shitty company behind a product - find a new job. It'll suck the soul out of you sticking around.

Patrick Mahomes for next year's 1st...

Hurst is one of those guys who ends up banking a LOT of money off of nothing beyond draft status and athletic potential. On the field he's basically Ian Thomas... who has also banked a LOT of money because the Panthers are morons.

He posted up pics of him hunting wild pigs with his AR last night. This dude would cause some SERIOUS pearl clutching. LOL And I mean actual feral hogs, not South Carolina women.

He's country as hell. I like it.

We just have to ignore inconveniences like atrocious footwork and an obviously subpar (I'm being kind) NFL arm. It would be a different story if he flashed talent and looked like he was doing as well as could possibly be hoped for given the situation. Instead he actually just showed constant limitations and very much looked like he was a huge part of the overall bad offensive situation. I came away from last year thinking there's no way this guy develops into a QB that can lift a team up. The best case scenario is that we build a San Francisco or Miami type of surrounding cast and he gets carried by them. That's a disaster considering what we gave up to get him.

I do think it's cute how people talk about evaluating Bryce Young as if we didn't see 16 games of him looking like a guy that's flat out not NFL caliber.

I'm hoping for the best and fully expecting the worst. That's just what the Tepper era has forced me to do as a fan to cope.

We're the basement of the NFL. This is what it's like being the new Browns. It is what it is.

We need guys who can get open fast. I'm not sure if prototypical "outside WRs" are what we actually want. We really need more slot type guys. It really doesn't matter if you're a downfield threat when we don't have a downfield passer.

One thing that has struck me the last couple of years watching NFL games is just how bad OL play is across the board. There's a handful of truly good OLs and everyone else is varying degrees of suck. I honestly think that's why every team is transitioning more and more to offenses that focus on getting the ball out of the QB's hand fast. It's not so much of a choice but a necessity.

Pretty much this. Both teams are probably approaching this as potentially possibly getting something for nothing because both players were likely on the chopping block anyway.