LinvilleGorge

Didn't read through the thread but the ratings in the original post scream this should be a power running offense with play action setting up the passing game. And Zavala probably shouldn't be on an NFL roster. I liked that pick but holy poo he's been awful.

Zach Wilson just got benched again in NY going from starter to 3rd string with a stat line eerily similar to Bryce's. Former UDFA Tim Boyle out of Eastern Kentucky will be the new starter. Former 7th round pick out of Northwestern Trevor Siemian will be the backup.

Just stick with Reich and handle everything on Black Monday. It's not like these mid-season coach firings have accomplished anything other than some meaningless wins last year that ended up just costing us a bunch of draft capital to trade up.

You're reading too much into what I was saying. All I'm saying is that the situation proved Tepper was lying. He didn't fire Rhule to give Wilks a legit shot. He fired Rhule because he finally got tired of being humiliated by the entire football world for making a dumb hire, giving the dumb hire a TON of money and more importantly in the football sense a ton of organizational power. The ruse of giving Wilks a legit shot was just a cover for not admitting that you're just yanking the rug because you finally got embarrassed enough to do so when the entire football world knew Rhule should've been fired the prior off-season.

I liked Fields as a prospect and he's shown some flashes but at some point they gotta bite the bullet and move on and let someone else take a shot at salvaging Fields.

At least they'll be there. We can't say poo. We're in the midst of a sixth straight losing season.

Yeah, if the Bears had it to do over again they would've drafted Stroud too.

If he looked like this? Yeah. Y'all forget, there's been plenty of guys come out of UNC that I haven't been high on as NFL prospects.

What asset?

This honestly isn't an exaggeration.

Why did they all most what seemed so obvious? What caused them to overlook the obvious physical limitations and convince themselves Bryce could be an elite NFL QB? Bruce looks like the historical Heisman QBs that everyone praised as a great college QB but then just chuckled when the NFL was mentioned and said, "C'mon now. Be serious. Dude ain't an NFL QB."

This. I can handle sucking. I can handle underwhelming stats. I can handle rookie mistakes. Just show me those flashes that make me say, "Damn. Yeah, this guy can develop into that dude." They're just not there. It's very rare Bryce makes a play that you wouldn't expect the average NFL roster caliber QB to be able to make. You can probably count all of them on one hand to be honest.

187 yards per game on the modern NFL is just soooooo fuging trash.

If we simply adopted the strategy of asking Tepper what we should do and then NOT doing that thing we'd probably be pretty damn good.

I let the opinions of experts convince me to be okay with the pick but I never wanted Bryce. The physical limitations were all over his college tape. The guy needed an airport runway to generate velocity or go deep and that just rarely exists in the NFL. I just don't know how the experts overlooked it. That's what baffles me. Bryce is honestly even more physically limited than I even thought, but does Bryce looking physically outmatched in the NFL surprising to me? Not in the least. It's what I saw in his college tape.

Hickory really is a poo hole. I've never understood why. It's big enough to have some stuff, small enough to still have a small town feel, and in a great geographical location. Close to the mountains, decent access to the Charlotte area. But it just fuging sucks. I can be to Hickory in 20 minutes and never go.

I mean... yeah, you're probably right. If my job was on the line and I had the power to bench Bryce and go to Dalton I probably would. Hell, just as a face saving move I'd probably announce Dalton as the starter and dare Tepper to fire me.

The key difference is that no other high pick has ever been as physically limited as Bryce. You can sell me on the upside of a guy with elite physical talent.

Well, we can either offer stupid money or we can settle for the 8th choice because unless it comes with a LOT more money I honestly can't see anyone picking Tepper and this organization over anywhere else.

I'm just saying that Tepper basically got exposed for being full of poo acting like he was firing Rhule to give Wilks a legit shot. He got mad that he was being embarrassed by his shitty hire and fired him. It made sense IF you were giving an assistant a legit shot to earn the job. But if you weren't a smart owner would've just stuck with Rhule as a tank commander to avoid having to make the trade up that we had to make.

My question is does it even matter? People keep getting fired and hired and yet the results stay the same or get even worse.

He showed something. It's the same thing he's shown in the majority of the games he's played in. It's just that what he's showing is a really damn bitter pill to swallow given our investment.

Go back and read the edit. I linked what I said about Bryce a week before the draft. I mean... who was closer, me or the experts? Bryce is absolutely not "raw as hell". Bryce was drafted specifically for his polish and mental superiority. Don't try to twist this into this being some raw developmental prospect situation all of a sudden. That would've been Anthony Richardson. Bryce was drafted large part because he was supposed to be plug and play from day one. The concern about Bryce was always about his physical upside. That he might already be as good as he's going to get.

Why did they miss what do many Huddlers saw? Plenty of us talked about this guy being seriously physically limited at the NFL level. Not just in terms of physical size, but arm talent. I got called all kinds of names by folks for saying that Bryce's arm talent was NFL average at very best and that IMO it was below average. Why didn't the experts see this? This is what I said a week before the draft. To save you the click: "I don't think the concerns about Young's arm are zero. I think his arm is average at best at the NFL level. Watching him play he needs time to wind up and step into the throw to generate velocity or go deep. I'm excited about his potential and if our staff is completely sold on him then I have confidence he'll translate but the physical concerns are real as hell."

I wasn't a proponent of keeping Wilks but if you were being honest in that you were firing Rhule at that time to give Wilks an opportunity to prove himself through making the team substantially better then he did that. To jettison him to end up with this, well... it's basically just the Tepper era Panthers in a nutshell. What we had wasn't great but damn if it wasn't better than this.