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No. That's not it at all. QBs either help lift up a team (elite to good starting QB), basically get you what you'd expect out of the overall roster (average starter), or hold you back (below average to bad starter). The Eagles built an offense around Hurts' strengths. Would he be as good here in this offense? No. Better than Bryce? Yeah, I'd confidently say that. Would the Eagles be worse with Bryce than Hurts? A lot worse. You seem to think Bryce is in that "average starter" category but that's where Bryce has peaked. "Good Bryce" has been in that category, but typical Bryce I had firmly been the the "below average to bad starter" category. I mean, 40 year old Flacco just came off the bench after being on a team for a matter of days and put up what would be Bryce's best game ever.

You can't possibly be serious

Hurts? HURTS?! Super Bowl MVP Hurts? 2x Pro Bowler Hurts? 2nd team All-Pro Hurts? GTFO of here with that nonsense. LOL

Watching those throws Drake Maye was making on a dead run threading lasers into tight coverage on the sidelines over and over in that game against the Bills... these people need to go watch that and be honest with themselves. Jump to the 1:20 mark. Pretty much every play after that mark is a play that Bryce is simply incapable of making. And yeah, I'm a Heels fan but I'm specifically using Maye here because he's another young highly drafted QB not an established top tier player. Seems like a fair apples to apples comparison versus using a Mahomes or Allen.

Tepper thinks little Bryce is Tom Brady in the making... damn, if that doesn't track. LOLOLOL Just wait. There's no pressing need to do anything right now. If Bryce continues to be an effective game manager, consider picking up the option to buy us more time. But no one should be surprised if he takes another slide when we don't have a RB putting up GOAT type numbers.

Suddenly finding a running game helped a LOT. Thursday night games are just weird. Seems like a crap shoot. Last night was highly likely just an anomaly and the Bengals will go back to sucking ass soon. I certainly don't think that 40 year old Joe Flacco is gonna keep putting up nearly 350 yards and 3 TDs on a weekly basis.

That's part of the problem. Do the right thing long-term and let Bryce walk to roll the dice and it'll get you fired if we go backwards in the short-term. Pick up his option and keep limping along and it might buy you another year of employment at the cost of potentially setting back the organization moving forward. The right thing to do is move on but I get why if you're sitting in Panthers' HQ you feel caught between a rock and a hard place and find yourself desperately clinging to the hope that Bryce will work out while deep down likely understanding that's a pipedream.

Yep. That's why I've been saying that if Bryce continue to be an effective game manager I wouldn't be opposed to picking up his 5th year option to buy us more time. I wouldn't be thrilled about it but I'd understand it. I just wouldn't feel any pressing need to do anything right now because no one should be surprised if Bryce takes another slide when our RB doesn't play like prime Adrian Peterson.

It becomes damn near impossible if we exclude guys who are backups forced into playing by injury. Even considering Cam Ward's rookie struggles if the Titans called me offering a straight up trade Ward for Bryce I'm taking it. Is Bryce playing better right now? Yes. But I'd be getting a more talented prospect and more years of a rookie QB contract. Put an OL in front of him and a 200 yard RB behind him and I think Ward is at least equal to Bryce st the moment with a lot higher ceiling.

If we divide the league up into quarters you need to be able to make 8 worse starting QBs for him not to be bottom tier. Who are they?

It just doesn't add up to what we're watching. It feels like you're trying to convince yourself that Bryce can just make a few adjustments and pan out. You say he turns the ball over because he's over aggressive and I just don't see that. A lot of his turnovers are just bad throws oftentimes because the balls sails in him. The fumble issues? I mean, you have the smallest QB in the NFL getting hit by extremely large powerful kej who knows based on film study that this guy is prone to coughing up the ball. If you're being hit by a much larger, much more powerful man intent on removing the ball from your possession you're gonna lose that battle a decent amount of the time. I think some of it is due to bad footwork but some of it is also that when there's traffic in front of him he has to try to get the ball up and over that pressure due to his lack of height. His release point it just several inches lower than most NFL QBs, no way around it. You saying it's more difficult than simply looking at outcomes while completely leaning on situational stats to try to convince people their eyes are lying to them and Bryce's arm isn't a significantly limiting factor in his game. Some people are hyperbolic about his lack of arm strength but honestly he has one of the weakest arms in the league. That's just reality if you objectively watch him play versus other NFL QBs. If he had time in a clean pocket and can step up into and through his throw he can make most throws but that's the problem, for him to make the tougher throws everything has to go perfect. If there's pressure pushing him off his spot or pressure in front of him where he can't step up or has to try to loft the pass over the scrum it's probably ending in a poor result. The problem is that's a commonplace scenario in the NFL. It wasn't at Alabama. Trust your own QB analytical system. Bryce being very the bottom of the league matches up perfectly with the eye test of just watching him olay

Truly bizarre. We have a poster who shows back up claiming deep scouting knowledge and his very own QB analytical system that admittedly ranks Bryce 25th among NFL QBs this season stumping hard for Bryce and trying to convince everyone their eyes are lying to them and his arm isn't much of a limiting factor at all. Make it make sense. I can't.

1st INT was a bad read and a bad pass. 2nd INT was just a great play by the DB.

Surprisingly a very good football game. Rodgers still has a cannon. That hail Mary flew close to 70 yards.

That would be similar in size to Skyla Amphitheater in Charlotte. I've seen Cody Jinks and the Red Clay Strays there.

It baffles me anyone can watch Bryce play and not see that his arm is significantly below average for an NFL QB. He especially struggles when the pocket is muddy and he doesn't have ample room to step up and through.

If there's football being played I always have it on. Usually just as background noise but it'll be on. I was half ass watching some terrible low level college game last night. Couldn't even tell you who was playing. That's how much attention I was paying to it but it was on. LOL

Ain't that the truth. Concert prices have absolutely skyrocketed in recent years and the CEO of Live Nation is whining about how the concert is still way underpriced.

Yeah, if you can build a dynasty you can get aging ring chasing vets to sign on at a discount. That's what floated the Patriots for years while Belichick drafted like Fitterer.

It's hard to lose a game with a 200+ yard RB.

Yep. We closing in on decision time. I'm out on Bryce, BUT I'm still open to picking up his option IF he continues to play as he has in recent weeks to buy us more time. But if he regresses again after a period of improved play as he has before we gotta just move on. Does Bryce honestly provide much of any lift over what you'd expect to get out of a journeyman NFL backup? His history of play suggests not. I need to see him continue to be an effective game manager before I'd be comfortably picking up his option and any consideration of a long-term contract should be completely off the table and out of the building.

It's the same thing that made Bryce the #1 overall pick. I've never seen such mass delusion about a football player before. Everyone convinced themselves that the fact that Bryce was below to severely below average in practically every physical attribute for an NFL QB just wouldn't matter because he has everything else you need and that'll more than make up for it. When has such an argument ever been made for an NFL prospect before? We watch prospects plummet every year because they run a couple tenths slower in the 40 time than expected. Smitty had everything you want in a receiver except he was 5'9" so he goes in the 3rd round. That's the way these things generally go. If you check a lot of boxes but leave some key ones unchecked you're not an elite prospect. With Bryce though, the physically limitations were always obvious so it gave more time to be able to build that into the equation and come up with reasons for why he'd be able to overcome it. Now we have all these same shortcomings having shone brightly on the NFL field and we STILL have people trying to convince themselves he'll be able to overcome it while ignoring that our past two wins and his improved play have come while riding the back of RB putting up GOAT RB production over the past two weeks. What changed wasn't Bryce. What changed is that Rico is playing out of his damn mind. Pretty much every NFL roster caliber QB can shine if he can get 200+ yards out of the RB behind him. If you can't effectively manage a game while handing off for 200+ yards then you can't cash an NFL check as a QB.

Yeah, if you can find a GOAT level QB willing to play at a discount because his supermodel wife is bringing in even more that's a sweet deal... and because he craves success due to being completely looked over in the draft and forever wants to prove everyone wrong due to that. The problem is that has proven so far to be a one of one situation.

Ultimately all that matters is where the Panthers' brass falls and this article is horrifying https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25260995-panthers-bryce-young-reportedly-seen-true-franchise-qb-team-amid-improvement

Here's the thing and I'll disclose a bit of inside baseball here... We have a mod only forum where we discuss matters, posters, etc. Everyone was ready to pull the plug on you and I was the lone holdout. Ah, give him a chance. He contributes to conversations when he isn't being a troll and maybe he'll come around. Since you're here outright admitting that you plan to just continue trolling. I'm done. You ran out of runway. Just for the sake of full transparency.