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I think he was exactly what we hoped he'd be. It's just that everyone else was a lot less than what we hoped they'd be.

Stop. Hanging the hat on Bryce in HS and college has to stop. This isn't college and it sure as hell isn't HS. Sports history is chock full of guys who were great at one level and failed to translate at the next level. 5 star college recruits bust. 1st round NFL draft picks bust. It happens. It's really damn hard projecting talent to a higher level of competition.

Yep. That's just the reality of where we are. We went from talking about having a Drew Brees to just hoping he's salvageable.

I mean, what's he supposed to say right now though? He knows the organization isn't moving on from this guy one year removed from that trade up and spending #1 overall on him. He knows Bryce isn't gonna carry his offense and he's going to have to try to scheme around his shortcomings. I mean, it is what it is. It seems to me like trying to manage expectations and downplaying the QB position is probably his best bet right now. I'm just hoping that they use this year to determine if they can make it work and if not they suck it up and move on. Not from another coaching staff but from Bryce.

I knew Bryce's arm strength wasn't a plus from watching him in college. My hope was that it would be NFL average but fully expected it could prove to be below average. I honestly didn't see it being bottom of the barrel but that's what we ultimately saw. His accuracy did surprisee though. I thought he'd probably be one of the most accurate passers in the NFL right out of the gate and that would help make up for his lack of arm strength. It just didn't play out that way. His short to medium accuracy was pretty average and his deep accuracy was just flat out bad. I keep seeing people act like it's not a Bryce problem but a surrounding talent and system problem. It's all of the above. Bryce absolutely played a big role in our offensive struggles last year.

Maybe if he'd clean up his footwork it would help with his velocity. He's never going to have a cannon but maybe his arm could at least be run of the mill below average if he worked on his mechanics. I'm still in shock that seemingly everyone in the football world just completely overlooked all these red flags that a lot of us talked about here leading up to the draft last year.

When you have a noodle with average accuracy, "NFL open" isn't open. If you're gonna make it in the NFL with a subpar arm your anticipation and accuracy have to be ELITE. Bryce has to clean up his footwork to have a chance. His feet aren't ready to throw because he's standing square to the LOS. He has to identify his target, then get his feet set, then deliver a ball with JV HS velocity. It's all too slow. He has to bring his feet and hips with his eyes.

I'm hard pressed to name a QB who took to an NFL field last year who didn't. That's the sad truth.

He might. We'll see. But he's shown a lot more promise than Bryce.

That's part of the evaluation process. That's why it's wildly revisionist to call him the #2 WR prospect ever. It'd be like trying to go back and arguing for Mahomes as a top 5 QB prospect of all-time just because he turned out great.

We'll see. I hope I'm wrong. Honestly didn't watch the video. I'm tired of the talk. Tired of the college highlights. Tired of the "super processor" hype. Just go do it.

Moss was the 21st overall pick and wasn't even the first WR taken in his class. Trying to paint him as the #2 WR prospect ever is some wildly revisionist history.

Remember when Keyshawn Johnson was the 1st WR taken (actually #1 overall) in an absolutely stacked WR class? He was a good NFL WR. No doubt. But he turned out to not even be close to the best WR in that class that also featured guys like Marvin Harrison, Terrel Owens, Joe Horn, Moose, Terry Glenn, etc. This might be the best WR class since then and I could easily see Marvin Harrison Jr. being the Keyshawn Johnson of the class.

I just don't see 4.3 speed on the field. He plays like a high 4.4s type. Which is plenty fast given his size.

Same.

I'm not sold on it. Don't get me wrong, I think he's a really good WR prospect but he just seems to me like a typical #1 WR available type. I won't be shocked if he doesn't turn out to be the best WR out of this class.

New ownership loves shiny new QBs. They're going QB.

Just objectively speaking there's zero chance this trade happens. One, we're not gonna move on from Bryce just one year removed from that bold trade up. Two, if the Commanders trade Howell it'll be because they draft a QB at #2 overall in which case they'll be wanting non-QB assets in exchange for Howell.

There's zero chance it'll happen but yeah I'd definitely do it. There's just a lot more upside with Howell than Bryce IMO.

Overall we're not the worst ran team ever, but we are the worst ran team in the league since Tepper bought the team.

Yeah, I'm completely over the big talk about plans. Show me on the field. There's been a LOT of big talk I'm the Tepper era followed by a lot of losing on the field.

We really were. The Jets flat out said after the trade that the Panthers were the only team seriously pursuing Darnold. It is what it is.

In all honesty I just feel bad for PSL holders at this point. That sucks.

Oh wee mayne. Tepper really is just the fuging worst. He really makes it VERY difficult to remain a Panthers fan.

Unfortunately, we can't trade Bryce Young to the Carolina Panthers. We were the only team dumb enough to give up anywhere near that and the Jets came pretty close to outright mocking us for bidding against ourselves in those trade negotiations.