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They were definitely very small to have not gotten a cease and desist letter from Post. Big corporations have teams of lawyers just sitting around looking for something to do like sending cease and desist letters to tiny podcasts infringing on their trademarks

This is the second Panthers podcast I'd never heard of that has announced it will cease to exist this year.

That was really dumb. Said it in the game thread.

Yeah, thankfully Chuba had the awareness to go after that fumble that everyone else seemed to just assume was an incomplete pass.

It is. That's why I honestly hope he hits the portal. I'd like to see him in a different (hopefully better) situation.

Sellers was super intriguing but he's taken a big step back this year.

Motor and physical tools is a big part of it. Pass rushers usually aren't instant impact additions in the draft. It usually takes 2-3 years to know what you've got. In the meantime, just show me effort and the the physical tools.

I just don't see how. The physical tools just aren't there. The ceiling is really low. I knew his physical talent ceiling was limited coming into the draft but honestly even as a guy who didn't want Bryce in the draft because of that, I still significantly underestimated just how limited he was going to be on an NFL field.

Picking up Bryce's option would be brutal. But yeah, it feels like a very Tepper's Panthers thing to do. You just can't pay the guy another $26M+ guaranteed. Not when you can reasonably get his level of play from a journeyman vet FA for a lot less. Bryce is a replacement level QB. You don't sign up to give a replacement level QB another $26M+. You just replace him.

About what I expected. I would've probably guessed -3.5.

That's why I'd love to make a move for a guy like Jameis or Howell. Yeah, it might come with turnovers but at least a guy like that would give us a better ability to evaluate our offensive skill positions. I mean, Bryce is already producing the turnovers so what are we even talking about worrying about turnovers? When you're only completing 11 passes and only attempting 20 there's not a lot to evaluate.

Yep, that was another one where there was traffic and he was having to try to loft the ball up and over a defender. That's where the big problems happen with Bryce. His release point is just a good foot shorter than most QBs and trying to loft balls up and over traffic causes a lot of his high misses and we all know that high misses in the open field are big problems.

I just think it was an awful throw. He was trying to throw to the back pylon and just missed terribly. He had a little bit of pressure in his face and he can't deal with that. That's when the awful throws usually happen. I don't have a problem with that shot if it's thrown to the back pylon where it should've been. That ball thrown correctly to the outside is either caught by XL of is safely missed high and/or outside. You cannot miss that throw short and inside.

BPA from start to finish hopefully finding a QB somewhere along the way. Give me a journeyman vet QB and hopefully a developmental guy in the draft. I don't love taking off the ball LBs in the 1st but I can't deny what a TD or a Morgan or a Beason would do for this defense.

He's better than the current version of Dalton who should be out of the league. I don't see that Bryce is "better". We've just gotten better at hiding Bryce behind a great RB and a suddenly shockingly dominant defense. He hasn't gotten better, we just don't have to ask much out of him and can lean on the rest of the roster. I honestly think he's about at his ceiling. He's just very physically limited.

Yeah, honestly being a long-term backup is at least as much about being a good lockerroom presence and accepting your role as a supporting piece and not being a greasy wheel as much as it does about ability. Backup QB requires a completely different mindset than the starter and some guys just can't make that switch. It doesn't make them bad guys or locker room cancers or anything like that, it just makes them not what you're looking for in a long-term backup. You bring in that type of guy to compete. You don't bring in that type of guy if you're not looking for competition.

The problem with Bryce as a backup is the turnover issues. It would be one thing if he could go out there and be a low level game manager while protecting the ball, but he goes out there and plays like a low level game manager while also turning the ball over. That's a heavy lift to overcome. If you're going to turn the ball over you have to also bring the upside of being able to move the ball and put up points. Bryce is the worst combo of both.

T-Mac will tell you he expects to make that catch. But every missed opportunity with Bryce at QB just feels massive because you know there's not gonna be many. You watch other teams and there's near misses all over the place but it's just okay, next play let's go. But with the Panthers it feels like you're doomed because that was THE chance you're gonna have.

He's definitely not getting better. We're just getting better at hiding him because we have a RB playing at an MVP level and the D is balling.

You're missing a really key factor here. That factor being baseline talent. Josh Allen is as physically talented at the QB position as it gets. Bryce is on the opposite end of the spectrum. This is why coaches and GMs are willing to roll the dice on raw talent. Every now and then you get Josh Allen. You usually get Anthony Richardson, but as the old saying goes you can't coach height/speed/arm strength, etc. You might be able to coach up raw talent but if a guy doesn't have the prerequisite physical talent there's nothing you can do about that. It just is what it is.

Yeah, the bad news is that Bryce ain't it. The good news is that despite setting ourselves back with that trade we've actually put the rest of the roster in the position of being a QB away from competing. All we need now is for Tepper and the organization to jerk their head out of their "sunk cost fallacy" ass and realize it. Canales' play calling in recent weeks shows me he's there. I just hope the rest of the organization including Tepper is as well.

Yep, just sign me a legit veteran journeyman then keep our options open in the draft and don't force anything.

Icky: very close to being sold. His pass protection does look significantly better but I also have to consider that the 1980s "run, run, run the ball pass as last resort" (to the tune of Row Row Row Your Boat) we're being forced to run perfectly fits his skillset and probably isn't what we want to run long-term. Let's say 85% sold. T-Mac: Sold. I think he's a legit #1 WR. He looks the part of a top 10 draft pick rookie. XL: Pretty close to being sold that he's a bust. Bryce: Completely sold that he's a bust. Chuba: He is what he is. He's a solid rotational/backup RB. Good for him leveraging a good year into a payday but he's not a starting caliber NFL RB. He benefitted greatly from the investments we made in the OL last year. Scourton: Incomplete. Pass rushers are usually not instant impact players in the draft. He looks like a decently promising rookie. Derrick Brown: Sold that he's the best DT we've ever had. Horn: Sold that he's our best CB since J-No and praying he's completely over his injury issues. Moehrig: Sold that he's a great SS who has to play SS. If you're consistently playing him in the deep third he's going to be a liability. 2025 draft class: Sold that it's our most promising draft in a loooooong time. Which granted isn't saying much but it's something. So far so good. Canales: Stubbornly avoiding riding Rico for so long is frustrating but I like how he's adjusted and he's quick to limit the damage Bryce can do to us. After the ugly endzone INT we were done throwing downfield yesterday and after the near INT to T-Mac on the final drive we were done throwing period. Evero: I still have my issues but I mean, I can't deny that our D is looking better and better despite most of the cap being spent on the other side of the ball. Just don't ask the man's opinion on free agent targets. Like ever. Just don't. Morgan: I've seen enough to give him another year.

This. If he can go you have to play him. Without him our offense is completely stuck in the mud and I can't give us better than 50/50 odds of beating anyone and if this team is going to push for a playoff spot sweeping the Saints feels like a must. I think we've done enough at this point to be done with getting looked past by opponents and at some point teams are gonna start just slamming 8 and 9 in the box every down whether it's a usual passing scenario or not and absolutely selling out against the run to keep Rico from beating them.

LOL I know you're one of the Bryce stans pretending to be a Packers fan, I'm just not sure which one because you're hiding behind a proxy IP address.