LinvilleGorge

David Tepper was spot on when he said that you need a GM, a HC, and a QB. Everything else is a want. Yeah, an elite WR is nice but plenty of good offenses don't have one. Same with an elite pass rusher or CB. You need a good OL but you don't necessarily have to have a franchise LT to field one. There's no other individual roster spot that you have to have a stud outside of QB. Tepper was right about GM, HC, and QB. He's just been abysmal at putting the pieces together even though we let two starting QBs slip through our fingers because we didn't have the GM or HC in place.

Zero pressures allowed from the OTs. Wow. Ekwonu earned a career-high 90.8 pass-blocking grade from PFF. He, as well as Moton, allowed zero pressures over 36 opportunities.

I kinda just wanna see what the offense can do with a QB who has proven he can move the football in the NFL. If Dalton wasn't a shadow of his former self I'd be fine with him but Father Time has definitely caught up with him. If we start piling up the losses as the schedule gets tougher and the passing offense continues to be anemic that might cost Canales his job and it's worth a very low risk move IMO to at least give him a fighting chance. The thought of yet another Tepper rebuild just isn't at all exciting to me having already seen a few of them. I'm about giving this current guy a fighting chance. I think Greg Cosell is exactly right. We're playing on offense the way we have to play with Bryce Young at QB. I'd be curious to see what it looks like with a QB with more arm talent and more willingness to push the ball down the field even if it comes with turnovers.

This is just a non-argument. Jameis and Howell are the guys being mentioned most often. Jameis is an a two year/$8M contract and Howell is on a one year/$1.1M contract. What I'd be willing to do is something along the lines of a 6th rounder or a 5th/6th swap. I don't think anyone is talking about doing anything much more aggressive than something along those lines.

Dude is asking like people are clamoring for some major trade when this is the type of move people are actually clamoring for.

They're similar in that rushing the passer really isn't their forte. They can impact the pass rush by collapsing the pocket and opening up opportunities for others and sometimes get the sack themselves but sacking the QB isn't what either does best. Jenkins also had the benefit of having MUCH better edge rushers who prevented the QB from escaping the pocket to the outside. Rookie Peppers had 12 sacks on one side and Rucker had 10 on the other. I honestly put them roughly equal as pass rushers. They're not sack monsters but they definitely impact the QB.

Brown has 3 sacks through 7 games. That has him tracking to match Jenkins' career best 7 sacks.

He's truly terrible. And it's not for lack of opportunity. Yeah, the Bears always suck at QB and so do the Jets but he had a pit stop with the Steelers in the meantime. That was his legit shot. I still wish we had drafted Fields though simply because it would've saved us from making that trade up for Bryce. It would've been the far less painful mistake to move on from.

It's not like people are clamoring to trade prime assets. We're basically just saying to pick up the phone and see what might be available for a late round pick. With a 6th round pick you only have about a 2% chance of becoming an NFL starter. Hell, you have about 50/50 odds of making the 53 man roster.

We've all seen highly touted QB prospects bust over and over again so it should never be seen as shocking when it happens, but man... given his skill set, Fields is just unbelievably terrible.

Yep. You can't afford to pay non-elite QBs elite QB money and there's always about 20 guys in the NFL making elite QB money. That's at least 10 too many. I'll always argue that you're better off needing a QB than you are to be cap handcuffed by an average starter. Truth be told, I think the Niners are learning that in real time right now. Purdy goes down and Mac Jones comes in and they haven't missed a beat. That's because they're honestly about the same tier of player, Purdy just got to enjoy an ideal situation from the word go. If Jones had landed in Purdy's situation he'd probably be Purdy and vice versa. You can't back up the Brinks truck for that. As bad as Jones was early on he's honestly probably bounced out of the league if he had been Mr. Irrelevant.

I'm a proponent of riding the hot hand. Rico is clearly the hot hand right now. That could change over the course of the season and Chuba could get hot and we ride him. But either way give the guy who is producing the majority of the touches.

He's dominant. He has become everything we thought we were getting in the draft - basically prime Kris Jenkins without the conditioning issues.

Brace yourself. It's going to get worse before it gets better if Bryce conveniently misses a game or multiple games right when the schedule starts to get real. The stans will claim we'd be winning with Bryce and the losses are proof that Bryce was leading us to wins (over opponents that are a combined 7-19-1).

"They're playing the way they have to play with Bryce Young at QB." - Greg Cosell

As soon as the dominant running game went away the truth was there to be seen again. And it wasn't like our running game was bad yesterday. It was decent. It just wasn't dominant. Bryce has to be carried. Like a journeyman backup.

Exactly. We've invested a ton of cap space in OL, we've signed two proven veteran RBs, we've spent two 1st round picks on WRs, we hired an offensive minded HC. It's not a failure to try to build around him. We've at least tried hard to do right by him as we should have after making the decision to swing that trade and draft him #1 overall. When you do that, you're all in one way or the other. We've tried. He's in year three now and has 30+ starts under his belt and I honestly can't see how anyone can conclude that he's shown the ability to be anything more than a serviceable game manager type of starting QB and even that only in spurts. You can get that in a journeyman backup if you put the talent around him. I'm fine with sticking with Bryce through this season if we have to but after that it's time to move on. I'd honestly prefer to shop around and see if we could land competition in the trade market with a late round pick.

Copy and paste it here https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/479114-trade-for-a-qb/

I'd be fine with Jameis too.

I'm serious about making a move for anyone not named Bryce Young.

That TD figure is definitely incorrect. Bryce only has 36 career TD passes. All but four of them absolutely did not come after his benching.

He'd be better in this offense than Bryce. Not saying he'd be the long-term answer but he'd be better than Bryce.

That OL was horrific and they didn't run the ball at all. They passed the ball at a higher percentage than any other team in the league with a second year player first year starter. It was an insane approach.

At this point I'm ready for anything different.

Just gonna be honest, 4-13 wouldn't be completely shocking. Our four wins have a combined record of 6-18-1.