LinvilleGorge

I thought his arm was just going to be run of the mill below average. It's worse. I think part of the reason it's worse is that anytime there's any traffic in front of him he has to lift the ball up and over that traffic. Having to throw with that arcing trajectory is going to impact the velocity you can drive. In a clean pocket with the ability to step up, I think his arm probably is run of the mill NFL below average. But then put him in typical NFL game scenarios and it plays out a lot worse. I honestly don't think there's a big difference between his and Mac Jones' arm of they're both just standing around throwing the ball around in drills. But that's not an NFL football game.

Oh, I was too. I just still underestimated just how badly physically limited he was going to be.

People think "arm strength" = throwing the ball down the field but it's also needed in the redzone where the windows get tighter and sometimes you just gotta be able to fire a laser in there.

Bingo. There's been no real improvements. He just is who he is. That was the concern even his backers had going into the draft - that he might be about as good as he's going to get, yeH he's super NFL ready but they even admitted that his ceiling was pretty limited for a top draft prospect. It's just that everyone - myself included even as a detractor - significantly underestimated just how limited he was going to be on an NFL field. I thought if all went well and he could hold up to the hits at his size he could be a mid-tier starting NFL QB. I was wrong even in not wanting him and being labeled a hater in the pre-draft process. I still let the media allow me to convince me my eyes were lying to me and that he's not as limited as he certainly looks to be to my eyes.

It looks like this season. That's basically what we've done. Bryce had three good halves. He played well against the Cowboys who are one of the worst defenses in the league and he played well in the second half against the Cardinals when they were playing bend but don't break protecting a sizable lead. That's it. The rest has basically been trash.

Yeah, I don't think a fresh start can help Young because his issue is that he simply doesn't have the physical tools. This isn't a Baker or Darnold or Daniel Jones. Those guys always had the physical ability to play they were just in bad situations and landed in better situations that were able to maximize what they had to offer rather than dragging down a guy with abilities. Yeah, flaws as well but definitely physical ability. You can't coach Bryce into being able to see over the line or rifle a ball into a tight window or stretch the field. It's about physical limitations with Bryce and situation or coaching can't fix that.

He did not light up any starters or even any primary backups. He didn't start playing well until we cleared the bench. Why would you be willing to trade a 4th for a guy just drafted in the 5th who's done nothing?

Bryce Young throwing for 325 yards and 4 TDs?

I miss the Jim Mora interviews LOL https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17XB1fd8Dj/

I wouldn't be surprised if you're right. I just don't understand lacking options. If Bryce was out there killing it no one wouldn't be begging for the backup to play. If people are asking for the backup that kinda says everything about how your starter is doing.

Pretty much this. It's impossible to predict when and where he wants to exert his influence. I'm sure on most things it's minimal but where he does weigh in I'm sure it matters a LOT. I mean, the guy who signs the checks gets what he wants.

The pessimistic side of me says that played a big part in them not bringing in another QB

I hope. That's what I've been saying for awhile. Our best bet is that Canales and Morgan want to move on at the position and they're trying to get Tepper onboard and they win in that effort.

Still beats watching Russell Wilson throw the ball into the dirt as soon as a defender gets within five yards of him, same as it beats watching Bryce throw another three yard pass on 3rd and long.

It's just criminal negligence at the most important position in the sport. We have a guy with zero NFL physical attributes that has opposing defenses basically running goal line type defensive looks against us in the middle of the field because he can't effectively move the ball through the air and a 40 year old with a broken thumb and the Panthers' response to that basically amounts to...

I have no idea why anyone watching these games would need stats to tell them that, but I do appreciate the effort.

Yep. Right now defenses can just stack the hell out of the box because they don't fear a vertical threat. They can completely focus on nullifying the run and the short passing game. I've been saying it for a long time but Bryce at QB essentially turns the entire field into red zone offense. What he's turned into as of late is turning the entire field into goalline offense. It just took a dominant few games from Rico to force our opponents to play us the way they should've been playing us once they had a few games of NFL tape on Bryce to study.

The relief of Giants fans to see Jameis starting this week over Russell Wilson is where we're at with Bryce. Hell, it's where most of us have been at for a long time now. Giants fans know that Winston is probably gonna throw three picks on Sunday but they'd rather see that than this paycheck cashing version of Russ who just doesn't want to take a hit.

fug it, let's see it. Nothing is worse than watching this anemic passing game that is stuck in neutral. I'd rather watch interceptions than this poo. Straight up.

We could've sent a 5th and 7th to Seattle in exchange for Howell and a 6th after seeing Dalton look completely washed for two preseason games but we sat on our hands. Not saying Howell would be our answer but 99/100 Panthers fans would be foaming at the mouth to see him start over Bryce right now if we'd made that move.

I honestly didn't completely hate re-signing Dalton at the time but preseason was a massive red flag. The response should've been "oh poo, we desperately need a backup QB". He looked BAD.

The play calling and now the words have been strongly suggesting that Canales is trying to navigate his way through a lack of a QB.

At least Shenault is a threat to do something with the ball in his hands. XL hasn't even shown me that. Doesn't seem to have great vision and as a runner and goes down easy. Honestly, XL doesn't look long for the league and Coker and probably Tremayne too should've already leapfrogged him on the depth chart.

He sounded like he'd had a bit of truth serum and by that I mean he sounded like he was four or five deep. Those beers tasted like he was about to say what he really thought about Bryce Young. LOL

Obviously Schlereth isn't familiar with the GWDs and big time throws. Embarrassing for a professional football commentator to be trusting his eyes leading to him talking out of his ass and not realizing the greatness he was missing.