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I'd just give him his full buyout and let him resign. Seems the best way out. Hubert gets his money and we avoid having to fire a DES player and Roy's long time lead assistant. Just tell him, listen you're out one way or the other. We're paying you out one way or the other. Are you gonna make us fire you or would you save us both some face and resign? Your call.

That would be a Tinderbox thread.

Hubert has plenty of money. I don't hate the guy. I think he a legit good guy. This is Ron Rivera all over again for me. It's just very obvious a coaching change is needed and it audka we gottaboart ways with a good guy and I'd much rather it work out but the same issues appearing again and again year after year are clearly shouting what needs to happen. With that said, if we hire Todd Golden, that's it. I'm out. I'd greatly prefer to just keep getting disappointed by Hubert. I can at least stand to root for that.

A 3rd round pick that only has 5 pressures and 10 tackles through three seasons? Are we sure this isn't a misprint? That's gotta be a Hurney 2nd rounder.

The most damning assessment of Hubert... We've had so many guys transfer out and be key contributors elsewhere, including guys that Hubert just flat out refused to play because he won't develop a bench. He's gonna find his five and he's gonna run them into the ground and then wonder why his team blows leads. Well, they're dog ass fuging tired is a big part of it. Isaiah Denis will probably be in this list next year. Top 50 recruit, competing offers from the likes of Kansas, Ohio State, Tennessee, etc. and we basically never saw him. High proved to be a competent player when he was forced into action after Caleb Wilson went down. He played five minutes last night and I don't think any after half even though Veesaar was visibly absolutely gassed down the stretch.

"I'm not stunned," Hansbrough said. "We talked about it at halftime, you asked me 'you have to be pretty happy.' And I said, 'No I've seen this story before.' I've seen this happen. They just had some lapses in games where they just go still offensively, defensively. Their competitiveness just drops a little bit. They never step on anybody's throat. When they have a team with a little bit of a lead, they never step on the throat. It's been something all year." The only disagreement I'd have with Hansbrough's assessment is that it's not limited to just this year. It's been Hubert's entire tenure. Hallmarks of Hubert's teams are: streaky shooting, streaky focus, running your starters into the dirt because you won't sub, and absolutely embarrassingly bad plays put of timeouts. It all points straight to the coach. When the roster keeps changing but the core fundamental issues keep recurring, it's not the players.

Agreed. Ruining K's send off twice was awesome on the way to a national championship game appearance but it gave the administration way too much co fodwncw in Hubert when the reality was rhat streaky shooters in Caleb Love and RJ Davis just got red hot at the right time and Hubert finally carved out a major role for Brady Manek. Hell, this year's win over duke was kinda the same story. The team came put absolutely sleepwalking and not ready to play outside of Caleb Wilson and Seth Trimble who pretty much by themselves kept us from getting absolutely blown out by half. The rest of the roster did practically nothing in the 1st half other than steal oxygen that Wilson and Trimble could've been breathing.

The final wins over K enroute to a title game run (along with Roy's strong support) bought him a long leash but at this point the financial commitments are playing a MUCH bigger role. We have a lot of money tied up in Hubert and Belichick and replacing Belichick is probably seen as the far more pressing matter. The way duke fans act you'd think they were Wooden's UCLA but all they've really been doing is providing a stopover for a year for NBA lottery picks while not winning any titles. You're not Wooden's UCLA, you're Calipari's Memphis.

UNC is 48-2 in NCAA tournament games when leading by 10+. Hubert blew a 16 point lead in the national championship game and a 19 point lead tonight.

As fun as those two last wins over K were and that fluke run to the title game were in Hubert's first season, it wasn't worth it in the long run. Getting to a title game in his first year bought him a verrrrrry long leash. I honestly think tonight would've been the last straw without that. We lost a national championship ship game because Hubert hates using his bench and just wants to lean on his starters and we ran out of gas. We lost tonight for the same reason. Veesaar was absolutely gassed before regulation even ended.

Between Hubert Davis, Bryce Young, and Bill Belichick my schedule sure has gotten a lot less restricted by sports TV schedules in recent years. LOL

Wish I'd been wrong but this was so predictable.

I fully expected to lose to VCU but we gotta rip the bandaid off and fire Hubert. Good lord.

Yeah, you can have your pick of NFL QBs and it's still pretty much impossible to draw a path to a playoff berth for that roster.

Yep, I'd sign it. From a pure football perspective, it sucks. From a winning at life perspective, he literally just won the lottery.

I honestly feel bad for Willis. I mean, good that he got a decent (NFL QB speaking) payday and will be set for life, but in terms of actually competing and providing he's a legit starter? The Dolphins are gonna carry $175M in dead cap this year and they have an out in Willis' contract after the 2027 season. This seems like the most obvious tank job in history with Willis signed as cover for it.

His agent was like vet min, vet min, vet min... holy poo this has to be a mistake, fug it whatever SIGN IT!!!

I view FS almost as the NT of the secondary. Oftentimes the true measure of his impact isn't necessarily in the plays that he makes but what he allows you to do with the rest of your defense to allow them to make plays. When you have that elite true sideline to sideline FS safety blanket over the top of the defense it allows you to be a lot more aggressive with everyone else. Where as when you have a Nick Scott as your last line of defense you gotta be mindful to not have to rely too heavily on that.

This is always accounted for in the draft. Positional value matters. Sime positions are more valuable than others and those positions are paid more and all else being equal drafted higher. https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/nfl-draft-which-positions-most-least-valued-over-past-decade

Build the best roster we can and if Bryce continues to be a weak link continue building that roster by replacing him. Bringing Pickett was a real disappointment. Felt like we gave him $7.5M just so that we could pretend he's a quality backup. Well, he must be since we're paying him like one.

Yeah, when you're wanting to run multiple TEs and your TEs are a weakness you're basically handcuffed yourself. I think there's a good chance our passing attack would look significantly different if we had a quality receiving TE.

That and when you fug around with someone else's spouse and the spurned spouse goes nuclear and puts your poo on blast... well, you should've been doing your part of the "mind your own business" mantra.

Not what I said. They know within the building why we aren't utilizing TEs more. If the rumors were true that we were seriously pursuing a couple of decent receiving TEs that strongly points toward a lack of quality receiving TEs currently on the roster. Does that mean we consider drafting one at 19? I don't know, but it wouldn't shock me and if we did there's only one guy it would be. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see TE drafting somewhere in the first three rounds.

By design of the offense or because our TEs suck? That's the question. Targeting our current TEs at a high rate would just be dumb.