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You're really not seeing how that's tinfoil hat worthy? What was the illuminati's involvement? I heard COVID-19 started was brought here on those flying saucers at Area 51. I think the cure is sasquatch spit.

Jump to 2:10 to avoid most of the political stuff and get right to the point.

Yeah, that's the problem. With so many asymptomatic or mild symptom carriers combined with atrocious access to testing, we honestly have no idea who's carrying this virus and potentially contagious.

Unfortunately, that's wildly innaccurate. According to Colorado data, approximately 50% of carriers are asymptomatic. Over 80% of carriers under 30 are asymptomatic.

Oh, didn't you know? The elderly and immuno-compromised and completely immune from contracting diseases from school aged kids.

LOL @CaliPanthers. That post was directed to no one in particular, but it's nice of you to let us know that it certainly applies to you.

Yeah, Weld County has been hit pretty hard. They're accounting for nearly 20% of Colorado's deaths and they only account for about 5% of the overall Colorado population.

This seems very relevant.

Now this is interesting. https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/04/09/999015/blood-tests-show-15-of-people-are-now-immune-to-covid-19-in-one-town-in-germany/ The survey in Germany was carried out by virologist Hendrik Streeck and several others at the University Hospital in Bonn, who say they approached about 1,000 residents of Gangelt to give blood, have their throats swabbed, and fill out a survey. They found that 2% of residents were actively infected by the coronavirus and a total of 14% had antibodies, indicating a prior infection. From the result of their blood survey, the German team estimated the death rate in the municipality at 0.37% overall, a figure significantly lower than what’s shown on a dashboard maintained by Johns Hopkins, where the death rate in Germany among reported cases is 2%.

I absolutely believe it. Accessibility to testing has been awful. We're really only testing the most vulnerable and the most ill. We think that 80% of cases will be asymptomatic or mild. That's based on current testing levels. That number is likely much higher. Here in Colorado, they're assuming that the actual infection rate is 5-10x higher than confirmed testing results. Even if that's the case, we're still a loooooooong way away from herd immunity.

Yeah, I was the one that brought it up almost a month and 150 pages ago.

Exactly. Trump stumping for two months that this whole thing was just a hoax was and still is incredibly damaging. His supporters soaked it up and for the most part still believe that even as Trump has shifted on the matter himself.

Off topic, but I fuging hate the NYT. It's 2020. Ain't nobody trying to buy a subscription to read your articles. Just pack them full of ads like everyone else.

I'm talking about actual studies that have been done, not assumptions. But, speaking of assumptions, it's highly likely there have been more new introductions in Charleston county than in New Zealand. New Zealand as a country sees a little over 3 million tourists a year. The greater Charleston area see almost 7 million. New Zealand also has a population density of 18 people per square kilometer. Charleston County's population density is over 5x higher at 99 people per square kilometer. Not to mention that New Zealand was one of the more proactive countries dealing with this pandemic and we were one of the least. The comparison isn't even apples and oranges. It's apples and rocks.

I'm not sure why so many people are trying to steadfastly deny that there isn't a strong link between increased temperatures and reduces contagiousness. Early studies out of both China and Spain have found a strong correlation there. We're seeing the same thing play out around the globe as the southern hemisphere is fairing much better than the northern hemisphere overall. I think over the coming weeks and months we may see that reverse course, but hopefully most of the southern hemisphere countries have taken enough measures early enough that they can avoid the fate of the northern hemisphere even if they see a rise in contagiousness as they go into their winter.

I think the issue is likely that you think experts saying things you want to hear = "calling it like they see it" while experts saying things you don't want to hear = "playing politics with it".

People have become so wrapped up in politics that desiring to listen to infectious disease experts on reacting to a global pandemic is somehow now taking a political stance.

Yep, social distancing protocols will remain a part of life until there's a vaccine available. We'll probably have a few different waves where stay at home measures are implemented again. The same people who bitch and moan about it are the same ones who didn't want to do anything to begin with that led to this being our reality.

Staying my ass at home is about the best I have to offer at the moment.

I wish I had the option. I have a wife and kid, mortgage interest to write off, student loan interest to write off, we claim 0 dependents on our taxes and withhold a little extra on each paycheck on top of that and we STILL end up just hoping to break even. I think we ended up owing an extra $300 or something like that this year.

All of the denial, claims of fake news, utter refusal to do anything to prepare the country, and spiking the football in victory as the pandemic was growing exponentially with his hometown playing the role of ground zero? Yeah, you're probably right.

There's a global pandemic. Unemployment rates are soaring. The economy is in a free fall. No one has any idea of when we'll be able to return to any sort of normalcy, both in everyday life and economically. Yeah, it's as bad as it's been in my 37 years.

Yep, as unprepared as possible. It was going to hit us one way or the other, but we ensured that it would hit us as hard or harder than anyone else in the world. I'm not defending our federal government's failure in any way, shape, or form.

Regardless of who was in the White House, this stuff was coming here and due to the size of our population and geographical size of our country, testing was going to be a giant PITA. BUT, our federal government certainly put us in the most unprepared state we could've possible been in, that's for sure.