LinvilleGorge

I supported the effort to flatten the curve to avoid the swamping of our healthcare system. The data at the time supported it. The thing is that with a novel virus, the data is ever changing and rapidly evolving. The more and more data that we get on this virus, the less dangerous it looks to non-vulnerable populations. As the data evolves, the strategies, tactics, and policies also have to evolve. The experts weren't "wrong". They have to base their decisions off of the data currently available. The early data was both limited (as is all early data) but also highly unreliable. Now I'm hoping that egos don't get in the way of that evolvement. Widespread testing is still the key to protecting those vulnerable populations, but there really does need to be a shift toward getting back to some type of normalcy while making efforts to protect those vulnerable populations and if that means shifting currently available testing resources to further the protection of those vulnerable populations then so be it.

This guy irks the poo out of me, but I hope he kicks COVID's ass... and doesn't spread it to anyone else.

Because practically the only thing eastern NC gets right is BBQ and that poo is delicious.

I don't know about that.

With the notable exceptions of WV, eastern TN, and eastern KY there seems to be a strong correlation between mountainous terrain and lower obesity rates. Outside of those areas, you can pretty much look at the map and see the imprint of the Rockies and Appalachians.

Do you think anything has substantially changed since then?

Not exclusive, but there's a helluva concentration.

Take to our decks and balconies and BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! LOL!

Yeah, if you go to SF or LA or Orange County or San Diego, it's gonna fit the stereotype. Outside of those areas.... eh, not so much.

When people say "California" what they're really talking about coastal California from San Francisco south through San Diego. I think a lot of people would be shocked by what they'd find in California outside of that relatively small geographical area.

Marty Hurney is the GM. Sure, I'm excited because it's something football related, but I've found way too much coal in my stocking in past years to be overly excited.

How much time have you spent outside the south? I grew up in the south. Spent the first 24 years of my life in the south. I have since lived in CO. I've traveled to 45 of the 50 states. Honestly, I don't think the south is nearly as unique in this regard as you might think.

Alright, let's nudge it back toward the discussion at hand. My fault for opening the door down that particular rabbit hole.

I think you know that I'm a fairly strong 2A supporter, but these morons you speak of are honestly the greatest threat to the 2nd Amendment. It goes back to my previous post - just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD.

I think that's highly likely to be reflected in the overall numbers.

Uneducated people only think about THEIR rights right NOW. Educated people understand that just because you CAN do something doesn't mean that you SHOULD.

I don't think it's that simple. The numbers among blacks are sky high, comparatively speaking. The problem isn't a racial issue as much as it is an educational/ideological issue.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Colorado isn't "opening up everything". As for the education statement, it's based on factual data. Colorado is second in the nation in percentage of the adult population with a bachelor's degree or higher at 41%. Louisiana, Mississippi, Kentucky, and Arkansas are 4 of the bottom 5. West Virginia is the 5th and many lump it in as a southern state as well. So either 80% or 100% of the five least educated states in the nation are southern. NC is the third highest educated southern state behind Virginia (7th, 38.2%) and Georgia (25th, 30.7%) at 26th (30.5%).

Sharing some more stuff from my expert friend... https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.04.20053058v1 We identified only a single outbreak in an outdoor environment, which involved two cases. Conclusions: All identified outbreaks of three or more cases occurred in an indoor environment, which confirms that sharing indoor space is a major SARS-CoV-2 infection risk. Below is why we're seeing a trend of doctors reevaluating the use of ventilators with this disease and holding off longer than they normally would before moving to the vent. If you're over 65 and go on a ventilator your chances of survival are very, very slim. If you're under 65, they're still pretty bad. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2765184?guestAccessKey=28639c30-edee-405e-9618-1be71e09426b&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social_jama&utm_term=3293878934&utm_campaign=article_alert&linkId=87122161 Mortality for those who received mechanical ventilation was 88.1% (n = 282). Mortality rates for those who received mechanical ventilation in the 18-to-65 and older-than-65 age groups were 76.4% and 97.2%, respectively.

Of course it's not across the board. Nothing is when making general statements. But my dumbass family is pretty representative of the overall rural southern population and let me tell ya, it ain't promising.

Nah, I think lack of education is a huge part of it. You can go out and enjoy those freedoms while still responsibly socially distancing, etc. It's not a black and white either/or issue, but to some people (stupid people) it is.

The south is gonna be a problem. At least out here we have a high education rate, etc. I think the majority of people will listen. The south... oh wee mayne.

It definitely is. All the antibody testing done so far suggests that the real number of cases outpaces confirmed cases by several magnitudes, which makes sense given the overall lack of testing and the fact that most cases are either asymptomatic or relatively mild. Most of those people didn't qualify for a test anyway.

The antibody testing here in CO is SUPER limited. Hopefully it'll be able to give us a little better vague idea as to the total number of cases truly out there though.

I'm honestly glad I'm not in governors' shoes right now to make these calls, but I understand why there's such a push to reopen economies right now. You're damned if you do, damned if you don't right now. Reopen too soon and you'll create a second wave. Don't reopen soon enough and you've recreated the Great Depression. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-recession-turning-into-the-great-depression-ii-amid-job-losses-141615099.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bad-might-think-great-depression-110009141.html What we really need is a widespread testing program with contact tracing and for people to actually adhere to social distancing guidelines, wear masks, and wash their damn hands. But vaguely understanding the stupidity of the average person, good luck with that.