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Nobody has said Tolbert is fast. He's not. But, he's fast compared to Nick O'Leary. For the record, he has three 100 yard rushing games in the NFL, but they were all for the Chargers. I know for a fact that Brad Hoover had at least one 100 yard rushing game for us. He was very rarely called upon to carry the ball for us, but back in '00 when we just flat out ran out of RBs he started at RB for us and carried the ball 24 times for 117 yards in a win vs. the Packers. Tolbert ran a 4.75 40 coming out of college. Brad Hoover reportedly ran in the 4.6s. O'Leary barely outran the fastest offensive linemen at the combine this year while weighing about 50 pounds less. That's why I have serious questions about him being an NFL caliber athlete. O'Leary was... 17th out of 18 TEs in the 40 (4.93) 7th out of 12 TEs in the 3 cone (0.55 seconds behind 1st place, only 0.22 seconds ahead of last place) 6th out of 11 TEs in the shuttle 10th out of 10 TEs in the vertical (tied with two other for last at 30.5") 9th out of 11 TEs in the broad jump (2" ahead of last place) 4th out of 14 TEs in the bench press (Yay!) Now, keep in mind, this is considered one of the weakest TE classes in recent memory and Nick O'Leary is clearly one of the, if not the worst athlete at the position in the class. If you want to classify him as a FB, fine. FBs are very rarely drafted anyway these days. The numbers add up to a guy who will be a late round draft pick or possibly even go undrafted. That's just the truth. Drafting this guy in the 3rd round would be insane.
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TNS, you're assuming that all of us hate O'Leary. That's not true. I like the guy. I think he's an old school throwback type of player. I'm just not sure he's an NFL caliber athlete and that's why I wouldn't touch the guy until the 5th or later.
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Fat and old Tolbert would still probably outrun O'Leary while moon walking.
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Ali Marpet terrifies me. God knows we love our small school OL prospects even though they never work out for us.
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I'm not big on any TE in this draft. I mean, Nick O'Leary, an undersized guy who can barely break 5.0 flat in the 40 and who barely had over 600 receiving yards won the John Mackey award this year. That says everything about this year's crop of TEs.
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Hey, I've been that guy before. I hated the pick when we took Kuechly. I wanted Stephon Gilmore, Dontari Pow, or Michael Brockets with that pick. I'm not complaining now.
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That it will. Hey, if we take him in the 3rd (or at all), I'll hope like hell that he's a beast!
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Mocks can be notoriously incorrect on some guys.
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I like O'Leary as a football player, I just HATE him in the 3rd round. There are very serious concerns that he's simply not an NFL caliber athlete. You don't draft that kind of guy until late if at all.
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O'Leary benefited greatly from having a great college QB. You're acting like he dominated. The guy had 600 receiving yards. Hell no to that guy in the 3rd. Not with the depth at WR in this class. I wouldn't even look at him until at least the 5th.
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How many snaps a game does Tolbert see? You really wanna spend a 3rd round pick on a less dynamic version of Tolbert?
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What I see in O'Leary is Jeff King with better hands. I just don't think the hands are gonna matter much because he's just too slow to get open in the NFL. Virtually every LB in the NFL is faster than this guy.
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I wouldn't be shocked if we cut Tolbert either. Wonder if he'd be willing to take a pay cut? Not a restructure, but a real pay cut. I just don't want to spend a 3rd round pick on a backup TE and utility type player.
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With that said, I'd be 100% okay with Collins at #25 and Fisher in the 2nd. In fact, I'd LOVE Fisher in the 2nd. He's my favorite OT in this draft. He'll probably go in the 1st.
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When is the last time a FB was drafted in the 3rd round? I think the guy has a decent chance to have a long NFL career as a #2 TE/H-back type player, I just don't see value in that type of guy in the 3rd round. Nor do I think he'll go that high after running like an OL. I think he has a better chance of going undrafted than he does of going in the 3rd
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I'll break my TV if we pick O'Leary in the 3rd round.
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Panthers NFL Draft Prospect - Justin Coleman
LinvilleGorge replied to Jeremy Igo's topic in Carolina Panthers
Someone is confused here, that's for sure. I don't think it's who you think it is though.- 34 replies
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Panthers NFL Draft Prospect - Justin Coleman
LinvilleGorge replied to Jeremy Igo's topic in Carolina Panthers
People obviously didn't think that about guys like Bene, Norman, Sherman, Maxwell, etc. either. Hence why they went in the mid-late rounds. There are steals and busts in every draft. Always have been, always will be.- 34 replies
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Yep, give me a vet OT with starting experience and a WR/KR/PR. IPR don't care about the names. Oher? Free? Ginn? Jones? Fine.
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There are no big name OTs available. Hell, Oher is probably the biggest.
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If we believe in Matsko and Matsko believes in Oher, then I'm down. Matsko worked with him for two years in Baltimore. He should know what he's getting, assuming Oher clears all the medical checks.
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Agree, but the other side of that equation is that great ones rarely actually hit the open market. Dunlap was set to be the best one this year and he basically had one good year. The Chargers still locked him up before he hit the market. Who is available out there that you'd be willing to dedicate big money to get? I can't name one.
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Thing is that no player is going to sign a long-term contract with little guaranteed money. It'd be dumb on their part. "Prove it contracts" aren't just because teams don't want to do long-term deals with the player, but because the player doesn't want it either. Long-term deals involve decent guaranteed dollars. That's just the way it works.
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Oher had a rough year last year, but I think he was struggling with an injury issue. If healthy, he's better than Bell and of we can get him fairly cheap I'd be all for it. You're not gonna get a great LT in FA unless you're willing to PAY big time. Oher is about as good as we can expect to get. Bring him in and let him compete. Hopefully an early draft pick will be added as well. Let Oher, Remmers, and the rookie(s) battle it out to figure out starting RT and LT.
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WTF is this about a Dez Bryant video worse than Ray Rice's?
LinvilleGorge replied to top dawg's topic in Carolina Panthers
Either the video doesn't actually exist or whoever has the video is trying to get PAID for it. If that's the case, Dez Bryant should be all over that.