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Exactly. There's no such thing as a sure thing but the draft pick value chart exists for a reason. Higher draft picks have higher value, simple as that. If you have hapless idiots making the picks it doesn't matter as much but all things being equal it's better to have more options than less options. Every player that comes off the board is a player you can't add to your roster

He's an asset in a game manager role. But as soon as you have to ask him to go out there and try to make plays and not just take what the defense is giving him... well, Darnolding happens.

No, I get that. Hell, it still frustrates me too. But damn, I'm not gonna hold it against Bryce or future QBs. I don't want to just keep making the same mistake.

When Tepper promised us that the days of mediocrity were over I don't think this is what any of us had in mind. Now we long for those days of "mediocrity". LOL In reality, we were rarely mediocre. We just ran very hot or cold. We were balling or we were sucking and not much in between.

Some Cam stans get pissed about how much we're investing in offensive pieces to put around Bryce and I don't get it. Yeah, we horribly neglected doing that for Cam. But why repeat that same mistake again? Ultimately, if Bryce doesn't work out then hopefully we will have created a great situation for the next guy to step into.

At the end of the day, that's what it boils down to. Win on the field and none of it will matter. Don't win and they're gonna be dunking on you like an old school NBA dunk contest when the MJs and Dominiques of the league actually participated. LOL

It's definitely the worst of the two options but WAY better than backing up the Brinks truck for mediocre.

David Tepper was right when he bought the team. If you want to compete year in and year out, you need a HC, a GM, and a QB. Everything else is a want. Every organization and roster is going to have some weak spots. You just can't have weak spots in those three roles. A mediocre QB can get carried by a great team and a great coach but the burden becomes a helluva lot heavier when that mediocre QB is eating up a huge chunk of your cap space limiting your ability to put that great team around him. You're pretty much forced to have to knock it out of the park in the draft to keep replenishing the talent. You just afford to miss.

You're missing what I'm saying. Every year where we tank our draft position winning a couple of meaningless games we always have quite a few people pounding their chests talking about how this is how you build a winning culture. Doesn't seem to be working. I think you build a winning culture by assembling the right coaching staff and roster pieces to win on the field.

The old Marty Hurney trick that never works. If we pay him like he's elite then he'll be elite!

Really hoping Bryce takes the next step in proving he can be a franchise QB. But if he doesn't, I really hope that the Panthers can accept it and move on.

I've been hearing all about this "winning culture" for years while watching us piss away top shelf draft position with meaningless late season wins when we're already eliminated from the playoffs but being assured this is building "winning culture" just to inevitably suck again next year. With that said, I'll always take a playoff berth. Just make the dance and you have a chance to make some noise. But spare me the "winning culture" bullshit.

We all know Cam suffered career derailing shoulder injuries. If you've been around for awhile you should realize that the Panthers forum becomes a catch all football forum in the off-season But hey, building strawmen and resorting to ad hominem attacks has been a fall back tactic when losing arguments since before the Internet even existed. LOL Nice username by the way. That aged well.

They were winning with JAG QBs prior to Purdy. They just had an elite overall roster. Now a lot of that roster is quickly aging and they've anchored themselves to a JAG QB on a monster contract. Gonna be tough sledding.

People are using this "three year period" to gloss over the reality that he was very mid last year and in Purdy's case, "last year" means 40% of his starts. I don't "hate" Purdy, I just think he's a very middle of the pack starter and you can't pay those guys $50M+ a year. GMs and coaches can because they just want to keep their jobs. But as a fanbase if you're wanting to compete for SBs, ugh... you're basically resigning yourself to mediocrity with decisions like this.

Which is completely irrelevant to the current conversation. They've doomed themselves to what we've historically been by making a really dumb call. For such an offensive guru, Shanahan sure has made some dumb calls at QB. First the Lance debacle and now the Purdy contract. I don't give them much credit for "finding" Purdy with the last pick in the draft, same as I don't really credit the Pats for "finding" Brady in the 6th. Everyone in the league passed those guys up over and over again. It was just horse poo luck.

Bingo.

Decently so but nowhere near the threat that Hurts is. You have to actively prepare for Hurts as a runner, especially in short yardage situation. It's just in the back of your mind with Purdy. You just can't completely discount his ability to scramble but it's not something you're actively preparing for.

Just a winner? He went 6-9 last year. Just because a guy got carried to the SB by elite surrounding talent doesn't mean much. How did Nick Files pan out after catching lightning on a bottle?

Hurts is an elite threat with his legs though. He's gonna stress an opposing DC a lot more than Brock Purdy.

Promising in that they obviously think he's gonna be a star.

Honestly, this makes the most sense as to why the NFL would be resistant to this change.

Yeah. As a wild card team. Washington won the division at 10-6.

Sure. All you have to do is fall backasswards into a serviceable late round QB on a rookie contract and then spend a ton of resources on offensive pieces and have an offensive guru of a head coach. That all falls apart when you pay the serviceable late round QB like an elite franchise QB. His arrow is pointing downward because the offensive pieces surrounding him are starting to fall off. They're paying him for the guy he was when he was surrounded by elite pieces. When he was surrounded by merely good this past season he was an average to below average starter. And honestly, that's precisely what he is. Paying him this type of money they're gonna struggle to surround him with good, forget great. Within two years this move is likely to be looked at as a massive folly.

No doubt aided by home field advantage and a lesser opponent due to a higher seeding simply because they won a bad division. Doing rankings sheerly by record instead of giving division winners automatic home field advantage isn't a negative IMO ever. Yeah, teams with losing records winning a bad division is only an occasional issue. But rewarding a team for having a better record is just a good thing IMO. Give the division winners an automatic bid, but do seeding purely by record. It's just the fairest way to set up the bracket while still protecting the integrity of the divisions. Yeah, occasionally a team with a better record will be left out because some worse team won a bad division. Oh well. Now that team is gonna have to go on the road against one of the best teams in the league instead of having an IMO unfair and unearned advantage of a home game and a lesser opponent simply because they were the best bad team in a trash division.