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Which couldn't possibly be more irrelevant at a local, state, and even regional level.

What makes your gym special and unique? If it's indoors and people are huffing and puffing, it's the perfect coronavirus vector. It's pretty much the perfect situation for maximum respiratory exchange.

I would guess it's 30% of the maximum capacity as dictated by the fire marshall. You can't keep gyms shutdown forever, but I personally wouldn't be working out in a public gym right now. I can't imagine a better venue for the transmission of a respiratory disease than an indoor place where everyone is working out and huffing and puffing.

Very different situations. Sure, we did a terrible job, but we have WAY more international travel in and out and through than New Zealand. Look at the number of airports and ports of call in NZ vs. the USA. The state of Florida alone probably has 2-3x as many of each. NYC became our hub in large part due to the massive international travel through there. With that said, NY did a masterfully horrific job of handling their outbreak. Southern California probably has nearly as much international traffic as NYC and they didn't experience near the outbreak. Meanwhile, many have tried to make Cuomo some time of national hero for this. He should probably be a national villain. Having a brother who is one of the most prominent news anchors in the country likely really helps shape that narrative.

I hope I'm wrong, but I honestly expect a poo ton of virtue signaling and posts by individuals and organizations alike in search of likes and reshares (and brand awareness marketing) but very little meaningful action taken.

Weird to complain about politics in this thread now. The last week or so has probably been the best relatively non-political discussion in the history of this thread.

NC. I'll be back in NC by next weekend. Sell of the house officially closes next week. We'll likely boomerang back out west around this time next year. I just want to cash in our chips now and sit on cash.

Holding steady at 8-9% for the past 2-3 weeks. Hospitalizations have been slowly trending upward since May 10th. 442 on the 10th, 717 currently. Hospitals beds are 80% occupied, ICU beds at 84%. There isn't hospital capacity to account for these spikes we're seeing and the spikes ahead.

They're terrified of being called racist. I support their cause, but gathering in the thousands right now is a really, REALLY bad idea. It's not racist to remind people that a virus doesn't give a damn about your race, religion, socio-economic status, or political views. As long as people are gathering together in crowds, it'll spread like wildfire. Period.

I'm absolutely dumbfounded at how quickly the vast majority of people just assumed we were over the worst of COVID and that any talk of a second wave or additional waves was just foolish talk, despite every virologist and epidemiologist on the planet strongly suggesting otherwise.

Thr Moderna vaccine is almost certainly going to be a flop. Definitely looking like a good old fashioned "pump and dump". https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/27/moderna-executives-cashed-out-shares-stock-price-soared/

I think people overstate the decline in deaths. We topped out around 2600 per day. We're still over 1000 per day. We topped out at about 38000 new cases per day (with much less testing than we currently have). We're still over 20000 per day. We're still 6-8 weeks out from having any inkling of how many are going to die from these coming spikes. My suspicion is that the overall mortality rate is probably about the same since we're likely catching a substantially larger percentage of the overall cases with more widespread testing - while still missing a lot if not even most of them. What these spikes will likely guarantee though is that COVID has a very strong foothold going into cold/flu season. All the testing and contact tracing in the world won't matter if we still have too many cases to keep track of. We didn't learn poo from our failure to take this pandemic seriously before it reached our shores. We managed to take it seriously for 3-4 months at best even after it did. Strap in folks, it's gonna be a helluva ride this winter.

ICUs will likely be past their capacity all over the country again by the end of June. People will cry, " OMG!!! Who could've predicted this?!" Uh... every virologist and epidemiologist on the planet. Many of whom now support the widespread protests for fear of being labeled racist. Unfortunately, the virus doesn't care if you're wearing a MAGA hat at an Ozark pool party or holding a BLM sign at a protest. As long as large groups are gathering together, it's going to spread like wildfire.

Read the second link.

https://www.si.com/college/texas/football/texas-governor-increases-live-sporting-event-capacity-to-50 Meanwhile... https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-cases-spike-in-texas-and-arizona-1819ce9f-8565-483a-b367-b678a607154d.html Yikes.

Fortunately, they've been outdoor gatherings. That's a lot better than indoor, but we're still going to see spikes with thousands gathering.

It's possible, but you're assuming people area actually going to stick with it while I'm personally seeing more and more people who definitely aren't. We're definitely trending the wrong direction on it.

Yeah, that's definitely jumping the gun big time. It could also mean that it's largely a less vulnerable population being infected.

Explain the logic behind this.

We're going to see major spikes due in large part to A) people being reckless with reopening and B) the large protests. I'm really disappointed in the public leaders and even public healthcare experts who haven't cautioned against these protests. You can support the idea of the protests while still strongly cautioning that gathering in large numbers right now is a really, REALLY bad idea and a public healthcare risk. The virus doesn't give a poo about your motivation to gather in large crowds. It'll spread just as easily at a social/political protest as it does at an Ozark pool party.

The problem they're going to have is that virtually every major city in a battleground state is going to have Democratic leadership. It's almost as if Trump doesn't think things through before he acts on a whim.

A huge downside from all the large gatherings to protest will be a major spike in COVID cases over the next two weeks.

Officials with the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment (CDPHE) are projecting a relaxation of social distancing will lead to a spike in COVID-19 cases by mid-summer. During a Zoom conference Monday, officials predicted that continued lax of social distancing guidelines to lower levels (45%) will lead to a surge of sick people that could exceed hospital capacity in the coming months. This model holds true even if implemented with mask wearing, increased case detection and isolation, and higher levels of social distancing by all older adults, officials said. They predict that in most scenarios, the next peak will be larger than the April peak. The CDPHE said there is a continued need for social distancing of at least 65% of the population unless most people 60 years and older maintain high levels of social distancing as seen during the stay-at-home period (80%). Officials also said they won't know the impact of the spread of the virus from recent large gatherings of people during protests for George Floyd for another two weeks.

There's a reason why I turned down a full ride at App even though I love Boone.

This was painfully predictable. We need to start opening the economy back up, but part of being able to do that is having a populace intelligent enough to realize they still need to make efforts to socially distance and wear masks. Just "going back to normal" isn't an intelligent approach.