LinvilleGorge

Seriously dude, your reading comprehension skills are pathetic. I'm saying there is NO INDICATION that we were interested. That is not a definitive statement. I am welcoming someone to show me that I'm wrong on that and if they do, I'll own it.

People get so hung up on the UNC thing on this board. I would've been screaming just as loud for Hurst last year if he'd played for NC State. We needed OTs. He played OT and was a decent prospect before breaking his leg late in the season. It was a no brainer. Get over the UNC thing.

For all those who are blindly defending Gettleman and the Panthers on this one, someone please go find a credible piece of info that links the Panthers to Collins. I heard Cowboys, Dolphins, Bills, Eagles, Saints, and Giants. Not a peep about the Panthers. I very well could be wrong, but wouldn't surprise me in the least if J.R. told Gettleman it ain't gonna happen on his watch.

Key word here is "higher". We had David fuging Foucault taking meaningful snaps for us at OT last year. Think about that. I'm not saying that James Hurst would've solved our OT issues by a long shot, I'm simply saying that he was better than guys we had on the roster last year. Hell, I'd say he was better than all but Remmers.

He ain't getting cut. He's signed on a dirt cheap fully guaranteed contract. If he shows any promise at all, he's going to stick on the roster.

Good lord, man. I think literally EVERYONE understands that. What I'm saying is that when you have a guy who is considered a 1st or 2nd round prospect who is available for dirt cheap at a position of need, you'd think we'd be ALL OVER HIM.

Collins was on the national radar. We weren't relying on our terrible local beat writers on this one. I'm not "bashing" the organization. I'm simply stating that it would be in accordance with our recent history if we didn't even inquire about Collins. We had James Hurst here in our backyard for the taking last year and showed zero interest. He went on to start at OT for the Ravens last year as a UDFA while we fielded the worst OT tandem in the NFL in Byron Bell and Nate Chandler.

Possibly. But again, no indications that we even made an effort. Pretty stunning that the guy went to the team where he'll have the most competition to get on the field and a team where he'll have zero chance to play LT. Gotta think they're either looking at RT or OG for him. I would've definitely thought he would've wanted to go to a team that at least offered him a shot at competing for the LT position. Marginal starting LTs get PAID. Other than QB, it's probably the safest position in the NFL in terms of landing big money deals.

I haven't heard a single thing that indicates that we were heavily involved, so it's likely a decent assumption that we weren't.

Seems like the Panthers never go after the obvious low hanging fruit. We did the same thing with James Hurst last year and Collins is a far superior talent than Hurst was. It just seems like if a move makes obvious sense for the Panthers, it's a clear indication that's what we certainly WON'T do.

You have got to be fugging kidding me. What in the hell is he thinking? He had his pick of teams and he's going to the team that has the best OL in the NFL??? A team that will give him zero chance to play at LT, which is the big money position on the OL??? Wow.

The Pats either cheat a lot more than any other organization or they're a lot worse at cheating than any other organization.

There's a reason why Collins was wanting to pull out of the draft and either enter the supplemental draft or enter the 2016 draft and that reason is $$$$. He's going to lose millions in the next few years by going undrafted. Seems like some people are overlooking the fact that Collins and his agent TRIED to pull out of the draft and that it was the NFL that denied them the ability to do so.

True. Both have relatively short arms a shade over 33" too.

"Not considered a suspect" is different than "cleared as a suspect". The former means that they have no reason to think of him as a suspect at the time, but that could've potentially changed. The latter means that they have enough information to clearly determine that he wasn't involved.

Not sure about that. Gettleman said he thought there were 4-5 potential NFL LTs in this draft. Not sure Collins was one of them. Word is that the Panthers didn't have a 1st round grade on Collins, so that leads me to believe that Gettleman doesn't think he's an NFL LT. If you look at Gettleman's picks, he's a big measurements guy in terms of height/weight. Almost all of the guys he drafts are prototype size. Collins isn't a prototype LT in terms of height/weight. That doesn't mean he can't become a very good NFL LT (Collins is almost identical to Gross in terms of height/weight), but it does make me wonder if Gettleman doesn't envision him as a NFL LT.

And how do you accurately determine that? IMO, the NFL should've let the kid withdraw his name from the regular draft and enter the supplemental draft. Not sure why they didn't. I thought that made a ton of sense for everyone involved.

If the kid truly had nothing to do with this and was simply a victim of circumstance, he got screwed HARD. With that said, there's no way that Gettleman and other Panthers' staff haven't had some conversations with Trai Turner to get the scoop on this guy. I have to think if he's fully cleared, we make a hard push to sign him.

The NFL has a problem. While in the grand scheme of things, something as simple as this probably doesn't have a huge impact on the outcome of games, it has to have SOME impact or else teams wouldn't risk violating the rules and suffering the consequences to do it. Think about how many recent Super Bowl wins have been tainted to some degree. The Saints with the bounty issue, the Pats with the spying issue, and now this. That's significant. IMO, it's time to really throw the book at the Pats. They've yet to win one cleanly and are repeat offenders.

Each team controls the balls that they use on offense. Which, in itself was a dumb policy to begin with.

Nice. Wanted Crockett, but I'll take this.

Bucs take the last WR I was interested in. All in on Tax Crockett now.

LOL! Barring injury, Rodgers probably has 5-6 years left in the tank.

Sucks for Hundley going to sit being Rodgers. Packers trying to turn him into trade bait in a year or two?

LOL! Mel Kiper looked like a huge tool in HS. Some things never change.