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Just actually explaining my point of view rather than just screaming "PICK A SIDE!!!" lol

Because you're trying to prove you're worth $30M a year.

My big issue with Burns is this. He knew this was his contract year. This was the year for him to go out there and show that he's an elite edge rusher worthy of elite edge rusher money. He didn't. Pure and simple. If anything, he actually took a step back. That's even with us retooling our entire defensive scheme in large part to free him up to do what he does best. What Brian Burns proved this season was that he's NOT worth an elite edge rusher contract. The only question remaining for me honestly is if tag and trade is even still on the table. If we tag him is there going to be a real trade market? Because no one is trading for him unless they can get a long-term contract agreed upon. We honestly might end up just letting this guy walk for nothing. But then again, that's basically what we've been doing anyway. We turned the CMC trade assets into nothing. We turned this Bryce trade assets into arguably worse than nothing.

My concern is that there doesn't seem to be a lot to work with in terms of development. We gotta be honest and admit that we knew that Bryce was largely being drafted in the belief that he was some type of football savant wunderkind. His physical toolset was never his selling point. The concern with Bryce was that his ceiling might be lower and that he might be closing in on being as good as he's gonna get already. Now I'm seeing most of the Bryce hopefuls trying to create a new narrative that Bryce was some type of developmental prospect. Richardson was the raw talent developmental guy.

I'm not blaming last season on Bryce Young alone. I'm simply not pretending that he played no role in the debacle as a coping mechanism. I'd feel a lot differently about Bryce moving forward if he had shown flashes of high level talent. He just didn't. He didn't do anything on the field that left me with any hope of him developing into a legit starter much less a franchise QB. I'd love to be wrong about that, but he has a LOT of limitations he's going to have to overcome in order to succeed.

So you're just going against the norm for the hell of it? I went against the norm pre-draft voicing the concerns I had about Bryce's physical talent. Not his height and stature. His arm talent and physical ability to make throws in the NFL. I was largely roundly mocked for that. I was ultimately wrong though. Bryce's talent limitations proved to be considerably more significant than I'd even thought.

Pick a side then refuse to adjust your opinion regardless of opposing evidence! Just a brilliant way to stumble through life.

I'm definitely smart enough not to bring up someone's thoughts concerning draft prospects then say no one cares when that person clarifies what their thoughts actually were.

LOL! You were the one that brought it up.

Yep, I liked him a lot. I thought the decision between him and Stroud would come down to the interview and background evaluation process. What do you honestly think we could get for Bryce in a trade right now? Think we could manage a 2nd? I honestly very seriously doubt it.

I convinced myself to be okay with Bryce when it was obvious he was going to be the pick despite my concerns. Richardson and Stroud were my 1a and 1b. Me being "okay" with Bryce was cope. Then the reality of him on an NFL field hit. It just hasn't hit a few of y'all yet somehow.

You're not even trying to be serious anymore. LOL!

Everyone else at the Combine and Bryce hiding in his hoodie. Bryce Young at his pro day... where he denied to step on a scale again. Not getting back on the scale when he was in football shape tells you all you need to know. That Combined weight was a work.

Yeah, he did "lie". He showed up hiding in a hoodie after he porked up at the buffets with the sole intention of stepping on a scale at 200+. The guy has never played a football game at 204 pounds. I don't blame him. Your job as a draft prospect is maximizing your draft status and that's what he did. But that kid ain't no 204 pounds on game day. Hell, I doubt he's 204 fully suited up.

If you think Bryce Young g has ever stepped on a football field at 200+ pounds I have some Atlantic beachfront property here in southern Appalachia you might be interested in. There's a reason why he hid in that hoodie all Combine weekend. I'm obviously exaggerating with the 170 talk but he's probably legit 185ish.

He wants $30M. We were reportedly offering him mid-20s and he refused.

Yeah, we drafted a QB with a very subpar arm #1 overall. It is what it is. QBs that are probably 5'9" and a buck seventy soaking wet don't get drafted at all... until we took one #1 overall. The concern of a weak arm and a deep out isn't an under throw. It's lack of velocity to drive the ball in there. A weak arm on a deep out is probably a pick six. Bryce usually sails those throws because he knows he can't drive it in there. This really shouldn't need explaining to a decently knowledgeable football fan.

The problem with paying Burns is that he wants $30M a year. That's ELITE $$$. Now go look at the pressure numbers of elite pass rushers. Micah Parsons was over 100.

I mean, Brock Purdy is a physically limited NFL QB. And Bryce Young makes Brock Purdy look like John Elway in comparison.

His arm is very subpar. He definitely cannot make all the throws. There are a lot of small window throws, deep outs, etc. that the big armed guys can make that just aren't in Bryce's wheelhouse at the NFL level. Yeah, the overall offense was trash this year. The OL was bad, the receivers were bad... and Bryce was bad. The one game where we had a viable vertical passing threat was the one game Bryce didn't play. Hate to say it but that's probably not a coincidence.

You can judge the physical traits.

Hire a new OL coach and let him figure it out.

It's just undeniable at this point. The guy consistently plays poorly in the playoffs. I honestly think it's completely in his head at this point. That triple coverage INT was just so bad. That's the type of throw you make on the last play of the game when you're trailing. Just an absolute desperation throw and there was no need for it.

It seemed like he really worked at it at first to make sure he succeeded then got lazy and started mailing it in once he developed a good rep.