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No, they weren't. But they had good arms. Better than Young's. That's all I'm saying. It's pretty much just the top 5 arm guys who are known for their arm strength. You gotta be leaving smoke trails.

Yeah, I don't blame the kid. It's up to the teams to evaluate the info they have.

Sure. Let me whip out my scientific arm strength meter. Believe what you want. But go back and watch those guys in their prime before you further delude yourself. You're in love. That's cool. I remember my first crush. But you're not being rational or objective either.

I don't blame 'em. This game takes it's toll on you and the elite guys make BANK. He should be set for life several times over.

I'd prefer a pass catcher, pass rusher, or pass defender at that spot. Basically WR, TE, EDGE, or CB. There should be some good options available. Take the best one.

I'm wondering if some of our '24 class might be reclassifying to come early. If not I'm not certain we'll see them in Chapel Hill because Hubert might get himself fired in the meantime.

I was watching the end of a high level HS game on ESPN2 and when are HS and college coaches gonna realize that scoring is way down across the board at those levels and way up in the NBA? Everyone at the lower levels wants to run the same type of spread iso offense as the NBA but without NBA talent. The result is a lot of ugly, low percentage shooting, low scoring games.

Burrows last year is the best season I've ever seen in college football. Absolutely ridiculous.

Just be honest. If all their QBs hit their athletic ceiling who has the most potential? I'm not saying to draft AR over Stroud and Young. I don't have enough info to say I'd do that. I'm just saying if he has what it takes between the ears to maximize his athletic potential he's gonna be the best QB out of the bunch. Using your logic, you would've ran away from Josh Allen. Hell, at that time I would have too. But watching how much that guy improved with better coaching and a better supporting cast changed the way I view these types of prospects. It all comes down to what you think they have between the ears and how coachable they are and how hard you think they're willing to work at their craft. Yeah, AR has the highest potential ceiling of the bunch and I honestly don't even see it as debatable.

Ron and Shula. Shula has never had another OC shot for a reason and Ron has never accomplished anything without Cam. We had an absolute stud and rode him into the ground. It is what it is.

They're a year older with a lot more game experience. I'm not pounding the table for AR. I have no idea how I'd evaluate him because all the question marks all have to do with the things us fans have minimal insight into. In just saying that yeah, there's an easy case to be made for how he becomes the best NFL QB of the bunch.

I don't. Well, his arm is probably comparable to the AARP version of Brady and the Frankeneck version of Manning, but all those guys had better arms for the majority of their careers.

He has by far the best physical tools in the draft. He's young, he's very inexperienced, but if though the interview process you determine that you think he has what it takes mentally to develop how is he NOT the best prospect? If you watch the games, I think you'll be surprised. His wide receivers were straight trash and they got slammed with injuries. They scored 38 points in a losing effort against Florida State when they were missing their top FIVE WRs. Whoever WR #12 was, I would've cut his ass after that game. Quite possibly the most useless game I've ever seen a player play.

All three of those guys had good NFL arms. Not elite, but good. Better than Young's.

The dude is just slightly built. I doubt it has anything to do with him not working hard. Hell, porking up for the combine to weigh in 200+ then shedding it off for his pro day took work.

What are you basing this on? Where have you heard about him not busting his ass off the field? It kinda just sounds like you want him to be an asshole.

Ahahahahahaha!!! The pic is being censored because of his name. PENIS!!!

Found this. Maybe had something to do with it. While Penisini never gave a clear reason as to why he retired from the game of football, he did deal with some serious injuries during his two years in Detroit. Lions coach Dan Campbell explained a gruesome injury the defensive tackle had during his rookie season. “John Penisini had what looked like softballs in his shoulder that he had repaired after the season after the fact,” Campbell said in July of 2021. “It just looked like a bunch of calcium deposits that had been in there. You wonder why when you watch the film last year why he’s not using his arm. It’s because he had issues. It’s a credit to him playing through it and all of those things.”

My big concern with Williams as an NFL prospect is his processing speed. He would've had one of the slowest average times to throw in the NFL last year. If he can't speed up he probably won't translate.

Yeah, there's nothing about his mentality that I question. All of my questions come down to his physical traits. He's well below ideal size and his arm is honestly NFL average.

That's what makes Mahomes special though. Without his hose I'm not sure if Mahomes' game works. That's my concern with Young outside of the obvious size concerns.

I like him as a player. I really do. It's just that his fanboys calling him Mahomes lite don't seem to realize that he's Mahomes REALLY lite. There aren't many of Mahomes' highlights that Young can duplicate. He just doesn't have that level of arm talent. Yeah, he can generate velocity and go deep but he has to have the time and space to wind up and step into it.

Yeah, that's my point. You can't get elite QB talent when you want them to just turn around and hand the ball off.

The one thing all of those throws have in common is that he has plenty of time and plenty of room in a clean pocket to wind up and step into the throw. I don't know if he can go deep in the NFL with pressure in his face. Stylistically, I get the Mahomes comparison. But the big difference is Mahomes doesn't require that time and space to step in and wind up to generate velocity and/or go deep. Young can't do this.

I honestly can't comment on Mahomes as a prospect. I just wasn't paying any attention to QBs in the draft at that time. Cam was 27 years old and a year removed from being the NFL MVP.