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And that right there is why he was plummeting down draft boards. If you're evaluated as not likely to be a starter and probably a career backup this is exactly what you DON'T want out of that backup QB role. The near unanimous word out of teams that interviewed him was that he came off as incredibly cocky and entitled and wasn't at all prepared for the interview. This kid really needs to stop sabotaging himself. I thought falling into the late 5th might be a wake up call but doesn't look like it.

I'm not sure why people are surprised. The football people in Cleveland picked Gabriel over Sanders because they thought he was the better prospect for them. They looked like they wanted to crawl under a table as the Sanders pick was being announced because that pick probably wasn't made by them.

It's so obvious that the offense is handcuffed by the QB position. Some folks complain about everyone constantly complaining about Bryce but he plays the most important position in the game and when your limitations are hamstringing the entire offense you're cooked. Bryce is not the reason special teams had an awful day and he's not the reason our LBs suck but he is the primary limiting factor of our offense and that is consistently putting our already had defense in terrible positions. The QB spot is our biggest roster issue. It's just that simple. No, having a legit QB wouldn't fix all of our problems but it sure would create hope and lead to a much different overall fan vibe.

Accurate. No one wants a distraction from the backup QB position, real or perceived. Late stage Cam, The Golden Calf of Bristol, Kaepernick, Shedeur it's all the same reasoning. People just have to create alternate narratives. The reality is they weren't seen as starters and we're seen as guys who would bring more distraction than they were worth.

You want to "save" Shedeur by "rescuing" him from the Browns by bringing him to Carolina? I feel like I've seen this movie before...

Something has to give on QB pay. 17 of the top 20 and all of the top 11 contracts in the NFL are QB contracts. Damn near every starter in the league that isn't on a rookie deal is making salary cap destroying money. How many of those guys are actually delivering the level of play that warrants that? I would strongly argue that unless you have a legit MVP caliber guy you're better off investing heavily in the rest of the roster and creating a great place for a guy in a rookie contract to thrive but that's the fan perspective that wants to compete for SBs. From the front office/coaching staff standpoint they're trying to keep their jobs so it's safer to pay the hell out of that mid-tier guy than it is to roll the dice on being great. Yeah, that mid-tier guy's contract is probably gonna catch up to you and make life tough in a couple of years but that's a problem to deal with in a couple of years we gotta worry about the now right now. That's the piece that some of these media guys advocating for picking up Bryce's option aren't grappling with. You'd be talking about spending nearly 10% of next year's cap on Bryce Young. Let me say that louder for people in the back... NEARLY 10% OF NEXT YEAR'S CAP ON BRYCE YOUNG. You absolutely cannot do that.

We're to the point that our only hope is horse poo luck. That Tepper hits on a scratch off lottery ticket that these third rate candidates that are willing to work for him are and that we fall backasswards into a QB. Hoping for organizational competency at this point just isn't logical. We just have to get really damn lucky.

I've said it numerous times but I honestly think we're to the point that we can't get anyone who has other comparable options or has reasonable expectations of being a top candidate within the next year or two and I honestly think the last GM and HC searches we conducted we conducted knowing that because it didn't seem like we even seriously pursued hotter candidates. I wouldn't be surprised if we touched base with agents and were basically told thanks but no thanks.

I mean, it's predictable. You have an owner who has churned through 7 head coaches in as many years and we look as bad as ever on the field. Seems like folks are going into self preservation mode without the realization that going at each other in the press is an absolutely fuging terrible look that will probably be considered regarding future roles when they inevitably end up getting fired. If I'm their agent I'm advising them to be aware of who they're working for. Any day in the office could be the day this guy throws a fit and rage fires you. Don't sabotage your future opportunities trying to salvage this one.

I could just imagine the conversation with his agent... "Listen Dave (Tepper), you've been firing coaches left and right. There's a lot of hesitation out there in the coaching ranks that they're not gonna be given a fair shot here either in leeway or in the type of control that these roles generally entail within the organization. For my guy to seriously consider this job you're going to have to at least show long-term commitment in the contract. If you do what you've been doing and yank the rug after a year or two we need to be compensated for the damage done to my client's career track."

holy poo, I forgot about that LOL! Tepper had to give a guy that was getting no other HC consideration a 6 year contract to get him to fall on that grenade. Damn...

Exactly. It's absolutely a super high stress job. I don't doubt that one bit. But our guys definitely seem to wear it way worse than the other guys. That tells you something. The only other guy right now that's comparable is Mike McDaniels down in Miami. That dude's wearing it this year.

Per usual with Tepper's Panthers the entire approach feels wrong. Tepper wants in on all the stuff he should be seeing himself out of and then wants to be hands off on the stuff that he needs to be stepping in on.

It is wild how soft and accommodating Charlotte media is on the Panthers. If this poo show was happening on a city with a real sports press it would be absolutely knives out and it would've been for years.

Prospect evaluation is always going to be more art than science. The guys who have all the measurables and all the production go really high in the draft. Once you get past those handful of the prospects all the rest have warts and you have to sort through it and try to figure out the ones who are going to be able to overcome their shortcomings on paper. And even then, some of those picture perfect prospects on paper are STILL gonna bust.

We're getting to the point that comparing us to the Cleveland Browns is insulting to the Cleveland Browns.

I understand that. The guy has made plenty of money. It would feel like a slap in the face for a seasoned vet to be offered a PS role and just not be financially worth it. I'd be the same. Either sign me and play me or I'm not interested. Seems a fair ask. If no one's interested, hang 'em up and enjoy retirement.

I suspect it's even worse behind closed doors than we imagine, as scary as that thought is. I mean, the way Tepper conducted his last GM and HC searches said a LOT IMO. He approached it like a guy who knew top candidates weren't even entertaining the job so he avoided them to avoid being publicly rebuked by top candidates.

It's difficult for me to imagine that he's worse than Wallace or Rozeboom much less the guys behind them on the depth chart.

Yep, total poo show, aka Tepper's Panthers in a nutshell. This is one of those situations where Tepper SHOULD get involved as an owner. Not in the draft room. Not in weekly haze fests disguised as "meetings". But when you have two subordinates publicly squabbling seemingly over who has final say over the depth chart, you should step in and sit them down and make it very clear who has that authority. Either hey Dave, like we discussed Evero had final say over his unit or hey Ejiro, Dave is the HC and final depth chart say is his. We clear here? Good. I don't want to hear anymore bullshit about you two going at each other about this in the press. That makes us all look like fuging jackasses and we're doing a good enough job of that without giving them extra ammo.

Not sure if we've brought any LBs in for workouts but it's hard to believe that there aren't some guys on couches or practice squads better than some of the guys we have on the active roster.

It sure seemed like Tepper pretty much told Canales that Evero was going to be his DC so I mean, he's basically Tepper's guy. Whether it was explicitly laid out as such or whether Canales just feels like I can't step on Tepper's guy's toes I have no idea. But it sure looks like a broken working relationship. I mean, at least being on the same page as the HC with personnel on the field seems like an improvement. It's not like I'm concerned about losing Evero's brilliant plays calling. LOL

He's not wrong. Just like we told the Discord people who constantly complained about toxicity, they were blind to the reality that they were a big part of the toxicity they were complaining about. You poo post as much as anyone here but you justify it by claiming you're only what others started but then you'll poison pill your own threads with snarky remarks and then proceed to complain when it turns into what you baited it to turn into. Just have a little self awareness and complain less about the same stuff you also do, that's all.

It really does feel like Evero has total control of the defense. Canales practically begged him publicly to play more youth and Evero didn't so now we're forced to start cutting the vets that he refuses to sit. That's just broken. If that perception is reality then we should honestly just fire Evero now and hand the play sheet to Capers if he's up to it at his age. If not, pick someone else. Pretty sure Renaldo Hill has some DC experience in his background. You just can't have a coordinator who isn't in the same library as the HC on personnel, forget the same page.

So many coaches fall into this trap. They prefer the veteran who understands the scheme better over the younger more talented player. It's lazy IMO. Do some coaching. You can't coach that veteran into being faster and more physically capable. You can coach the more physically gifted youngster into better understanding his role in the scheme. Every washed up vet in the league understands the game better now than they did when they were in their prime they're just no longer physically capable of executing. So fuging COACH. They want to nerd out on "muh scheme" instead of actually developing talent. Well bro, your scheme looks like fuging poo right now so I'd suggest trying to develop some talent to make it look less shitty.