LinvilleGorge

Who has said he can't help us now? But honestly, this season is a lost cause. I'm way more focused on getting guys who can help us in the future. Not sure if a 30 year old WR fits into that picture.

Oh, for sure. There are definitely exceptions. But there's a loooooooong list of guys who fall off after 30 who keep falling off.

Absolutely. But he's also still absolutely on the physical decline. That's why he's having to do his damage largely out of the slot against nickels, safeties, and LBs instead of on the outside against starting CBs like he used to in his prime.

Thielen is on the decline. He's still an effective receiver but he's clearly not the threat that he used to be

Why is his role diminished? It very well could be because he's in the decline.

The poll continues to hover right around 50%. Currently 34 yes, 33 no. If half the folks that take the effort to vote want it I'm gonna give them what they want.

There's enough negativity and plenty of threads to discuss or poo post about the issues with the Panthers. This is a thread for good vibes only. Don't come in here with negativity, bait or trolling.

You have to be a truly exceptional poo poster to get banned for anything non-egregious.

I see plenty of poo posts from both sides. My point is that if you can't take it don't dish it out. The vast majority of reported posts come from the same handful of posters and most just get ignored. Just the truth.

I only see reported posts and constant complaints about the forum from one side of the fray.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8hsqW68/

An actual sincere offer to give folks their own dedicated thread that I commit to enforcing is interpreted as a temper tantrum. I mean, that says it all.

It was me. He had the slowest average time to throw among all P5 QBs last year. He would've been at the bottom of the list in the NFL too. I bet he's at or hear the bottom again this year. Maybe he can, maybe he can't but he should've been working on that this past off-season because it's not going to be easy to speed it up in the NFL while in a more complex offense facing more complex defenses.

Honestly the way I see it there seems to be a lot of folks who really bristle at encountering any differing opinion. When they do, that's all they can focus on. The thread is derailed. OMG, someone dared voice a differing opinion. I'm appalled. Then they complain for pages on end about how the thread has been derailed.... while actually actively derailing the thread. Newsflash, but it's possible for two reasonable people to watch the same exact thing and come away with differing opinions. And that's okay. What would be the point of a discussion if everyone agreed?

Don't get me wrong, I think the guy is a helluva prospect. He checks a LOT of boxes. But slow processing speed will likely prove to be an Achilles heel if he can't speed it up.

I really think some of the shine is going to come off of Williams when people stop watching him as a college QB and actually start evaluating him as an NFL prospect. Everything happens too slow for him after the snap. He just doesn't process quickly enough. I thought it might have just been a luxury of opportunity but the last two games suggest he can't speed it up even when he needs to. Maybe getting into the NFL and focusing heavily in that will help him but if he can't speed it up significantly it ain't gonna translate. You can't hold the ball as long as he does in the NFL.

I very seriously doubt he would've gone ahead of Lawrence. Possibly Burrow due to the age and one year wonder concern. But Lawrence was nearly universally considered the best QB prospect since Luck.

I still gotta admit that I'm pretty shocked at how hard Russell Wilson fell off. The Seahawks knew it and fleeced the hell out of the Broncos.

Love seeing it. Fug those two guys.

Fitts drafting has been complete poo. Sure doesn't seem like it was just a Rhule problem like so many wanted to cling to. Hell, I didn't subscribe to that thought process but I hoped I was wrong. I absolutely wanted Fitts to follow Rhule out the door.

Maye had said himself that it's no certainty that he enters the draft this year. Now with that said, I can say with knowledge that folks I know with legit contacts within the program fully expect him to enter the draft. But seriously... how many QBs are gonna have to bust in Chicago for prospects to actively start avoiding ending up in Chicago? There's just too many at this point to blame it on poor talent evaluation. Out of sheer dumb luck they would've hit gold or at least silver or bronze by now.

The vote tally is 25 yes, 23 no. I'm leaning toward creating a pinned thread to give folks a place where they can share positive vibes. The board is largely negative right now which can hardly be considered surprising when we're 0-6 and are well on our way toward our 6th consecutive losing season. But with that largely negative vibe it means the folks who want to try to remain positive are going to get overshadowed and that creates even more frustration. I sincerely think there should be a place in the forum for those vibes to be protected. Hell, I think it would be good for all of us.

He looked terrible against Arizona too. What's most alarming is he looked terrible against two completely different approaches. Arizona basically didn't rush. They focused on keeping him in the pocket and dropping as many as possible into coverage. Williams couldn't throw the ball against this defense but it allowed him to do just enough with his legs to get the W. Notre Dame blitzed him and heated him up and he turned the ball over in droves.

Yeah, it was already in it's way out but that hit was the end.