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I mean, Bryce is clearly better. But they're both hugely limiting factors. Lopez is just hugely limiting at a lower overall level of competition compared to Bryce.

UNC gave Gio Lopez $4M and at best he's P4 primary backup QB caliber. Guys like Quinn Ewers are the poster children of guys who should stay in school until they're out of eligibility. Good college QBs. Mediocre at best pro prospects. They're simply a lot more valuable to a good P4 program than they are to an NFL team. NFL teams are looking at those types of guys as maybe long-term backups at best. But a guy like that is probably a top 15-20 college QB, basically the equivalent of an NFL mid-level starter.

The pass before the INT could've easily been a pick. Kinda like the Bryce out route to T-Mac in GB. A lazy, not great throw to a decently covered receiver and a little better break on it by the DB would've probably been a turnover.

This game is fuging terrible.

Who is more ass? A) or B)

Overall, it's not good. You have the major online betting sites funneling tons of advertising money and the leagues are happy to take it 1) for the direct advertising money and 2) the gambling drives additional viewership increasing possible advertising value. Anytime there's a lot of money being slung around people are going to try to figure out a way to get their piece of that action, legal or not. I don't know what the answer is. I'm not for blanket banning stuff because it generally just leads to shady black market stuff, but seems like it shouldn't be advertised so heavily. Treat the marketing like tobacco marketing. Like yeah, you can go to the store and buy it but you're not gonna be inundated with commercials about it.

Rodgers is 2/4 for 11 yards and a sack for a safety. Herbert is 3/6 for 14 yards and a dropped INT.

What in the hell is going on in LA tonight? Herbert and Rodgers are basically trying to out-Bryce one another. Herbert just threw what should've been an easy INT straight into a defender's chest on 3rd down and then Rodgers takes a god awful sack for a safety nearly fumbling in the process. LOL

Yeah, there's probably several absolute drubbings ahead of us. We dodged one in GB with the weather conditions limiting the passing game and the Packers just not playing well but I doubt we'll keep getting that lucky. The Pats and Bills games are probably more indicative of likely outcomes against good teams.

Cam and Chad Pennington after their shoulder injuries are about the only ones that come to mind as comparable.

I think today may have been the media tipping point where they stop trying to pretend like Bryce is going to come around and start acknowledging that he just sucks. We're a .500 team despite trash tier QB play. This isn't a scenario where a QB is being dragged down by an overall terrible situation. This is a scenario where the situation is dragging a boat anchor at the most important position in the sport as far as they possibly can.

Hes the type of guy we need to be signing as a bridge. Sign a decent journeyman vet, hell maybe even two, and then still keep all options (outside of a ludicrous trade up to #1) on the table too.

Because they're just not playing that well. The class isn't turning out on the field near as well as it looked on paper. If they were playing like guys who would be going in the 1st round they'd probably be declaring.

That was the story of the '26 class this time last year. It always seems like next year's class is "the one".

I don't think we even tried.

If you're not an absolute lock to be a 1st round pick, you should go back to school. Good college QBs that are mediocre NFL prospects are worth millions in the portal.

Horn sucked today but he's usually a good player and the D still only gave up 17. You're supposed to win in the NFL when you only give up 17.

Probably a typical Panthers season where the draft position is looking really nice and then we inexplicably pull a couple of late wins out of our ass to tank that and then we hear all about how we're "building winning culture" again.

I wouldn't trade Derrick Brown for any QB that a team would be willing to trade for Derrick Brown.

No, nuh uh. Don't you dare. There's receipts.

Me too. That's why benching him for literally anyone would be a huge sign of relief. Do I expect to find anyone any better? Honestly, no. Not in mid-November with the trade deadline past. You practice squaders and guys on couches at this point. That's your only options. It would just be a relief to see a clear signal that we're moving on after this year. That would provide some hope.

Signs a two year/$10M type of deal with a team looking at him as a backup/possible resurrection story. Gets released after one year. Bounces around a couple of camps afterward and out of the league.

None of those guys are named Bryce Young so cool, let's see it. I honestly just want to be assured we're shopping for a starting QB this coming off-season.

The whole "victory Monday off" thing sure looks brilliant in hindsight. Said at the time I didn't care and all that matters is the results but leave it to the Panthers to start feeling themselves after squeaking to their first barely winning record on damn near a decade and acting like they are somebody now just to lose to a team playing for the #1 overall pick.

All I wanted to do was see what was put there for a late rounder.