LinvilleGorge

Yeah, don't mistake my defense of Canales as true defense of Canales. More just an acknowledgement of our situation as an organization and the lack of appeal to other potential candidates. Kinda like that Bryce conversation. It's about expectations. Canales basically is that mid-round pick likely backup caliber guy... who would be replaced by an equal caliber canididate. Based on that, I think it's unlikely we'd get an improvement and the carousel would continue.

This is why I'm okay with giving Canales another year. Not because I think he's good or that he deserves it but simply because I know that if we fire him he's going to be replaced by another third tier candidate with no other NFL HC opportunities with a very low likelihood of panning out.

The Turk signing never made any sense. Turk was basically a five tech pass rush specialist in KC benefitting from playing beside one of the best all around DTs in the league. He didn't fit our scheme at all. It was baffling. Just another example of a dumb ole Huddler seeing something obvious that our decision makers were evidently blind to.

The biggest problem is that his upward trend is still well below NFL average. At some point there's just too much evidence to ignore. I've been there for awhile now. Honestly, it only took a handful of games for me to realize that he just had too many physical limitations to overcome to ever be a legitimate starter. I get that the organization couldn't afford to pull the plug that quick after that investment but there's absolutely no way we should've gone into year three without legitimate competition on the roster. We always a year behind kn this Bryce thing. This year should've been the legit competition year and this offseason should've been the moving on point. Hopefully we'll play catch up but I expect the trend to cj tinge and next year will be the vet competition year.

I think you could give him Tom Brady or Peyton Manning's mind and he'd still struggle. If you can't see the field and you can't make the throw all the brainiac stuff in the world isn't gonna save you. He's not historically limited between the ears, he's historically limited physically.

What? No it doesn't. LOL Bryce has certainly proved more durable on the field than I feared but "size" does not just mean durability. Plenty of us talked about our concerns of him seeing over the line at 5'10" in the NFL, especially watching him in college where he'd usually take a snap from shotgun and then still hit a 3-5 step drop to gain more space to see the field. I talked about that ad nauseam leading uo to the draft and just got scoffed at and called a hate and lectured about how much more the Panthers brain trust knew about football than I did. Which is true. Professional NFL front office folks and coaches know a helluva a lot more about football than I do which is what made it so baffling that they were missing such obvious stuff.

I think it all stems from the lack of physical ability though. Nothing else really matters if you just flat out lack the physical prerequisites. He has issues seeing the field due to his size. He has a bad habit of backpedaling and not stepping uo I. The pocket sue to his size. His arm means he struggles to drive the ball down the field and squeeze it into tight windows. It's very telling that almost all of our pass attempts downfield are purely schemed up and usually come on traditional obvious running downs. We have to try to catch the D selling out against the run to give us a shot to throw deep. It all boils down to a lack if physical tools.

what?

There was a quick hook last year then they let him come crawling back. Then this year when Bryce missed a game we all saw that Dalton was behind washed. This is why I just want Bryce gone. We need to wash our hands of him.

If I'm picking between sticking with Canales with a new QB or Bryce with a new coach, I'm definitely picking Canales with a new QB simply because we've tried the Bryce with new coach route before. Been there done that.

On what basis? How many teams are trading their starting QB for ours? Not talking about backups forced into starting roles, I'm talking about guys who went into the season as planned starters? How many of those guys are getting traded for Bryce Young if the offer was on the table? It's a really short list.

You can cherry pick to support any claim you want to make going play by play. But Bryce's overall picture of production doesn't lie. He's one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL.

I hope the Panthers are making note of this. The good version of Tua was always the rosiest picture of what Bryce might be able to be in the NFL. Tua reached a much higher ceiling in the NFL than Bryce has been able to achieve thus far but he's a poster child for the risks of hitching your salary cap wagon to a seriously physically limited QB.

I doubt it. I mean, the Chargers probably kept track of those types of stats at the time but I don't even know if they'd still have them at this point. There's just way more metrics being tracked these days than there were 20+ years ago. At least in terms of public availability. I'm sure all kinds of metrics were being tracked in the past but they just weren't publicly available.

Missing 25% of your tackle attempts is wild. You better be prime Deion Sanders in coverage to make up for that, not getting smoked to give up crucial 4th quarter TDs.

Because he threw for 168 yards against one of the worst teams in the league. Because we've scored less than 20 points 8 times this year. Because he's in the bottom 10 in the league in most passing stat categories.

We all knew that 204 Combine weight was complete bullshit. Bro showed up and hid under a hoodie all weekend to hide the spare tire he was carrying around his waist from pigging out in the weeks leading up to it because his only purpose in being there was to step on a scale north of 200. It being bullshit confirmed when he declined to step on the scale again at his pro day after he'd trimmed back down to or close to his actual playing weight to do some drills. I don't blame Bryce for that, he was just playing the game. He just gave us permission to believe what we were dying to believe anyway. He probably is 190ish today after three years of NFL S&C and just a few more years of natural maturation. That probably means he was 180ish as a rookie.

It's the expectations of a backup. Everyone wants to blame the D or the coaches or anyone other than the QB that threw for 168 yards and a TD at a barely over 60% clip like he's a backup. When you're playing your backup, you're expecting to have a very low margin of error and needing the coaches and rest of the team to carry him. But when that's the expectations from a third year former #1 overall pick, that's just flat out admitting the guy ain't it.

I'm just kinda baffled by it. He was a #1 overall pick that we traded a king's ransom for because we were betting on him being a game changer and yet there's a decent chunk of the fanbase that wants to treat him like a mid-round pick drafted to be a likely backup. If we'd drafted Bryce in say the 4th round and he was a backup forced into action I'd be singing his praises. We would be getting pretty decent play based on the level of expectations. I'd be saying you can't move forward with this guy as a starter because of his low ceiling but as a mid-round backup QB I can't really be mad at how he's playing. This is what you expect out of a mid-round backup QB. But when you're getting mid-round backup QB play out of a third year #1 overall pick you've mortgaged the franchise for and have tried to tailor your offensive roster and play calling to support, you really need to be shifting the perspective to realizing that you it's time to move on.

The "Bryce curve" is just so built into expectations now that mediocre games are good. Because Bryce's "good" is NFL mediocre.

A "good game" for Bryce is sub-200 yards, hovering around 20 attempts, hopefully a TD and no turnovers. That's low level game manager stuff. Backup QB stuff. And that's the real problem. Our starting QB forces us to run a backup QB offense.

Yeah, I get it and I largely agree. I just realize that the NFL wants to give the refs as much leeway as possible to protect QBs. I was honestly surprised a flag didn't fly on that Bryce hit. Do I think it should be a flag? No, but I'm conditioned to expect one when a feet first QB gets contacted.

Yeah, it was dumb of Icky because the push on Bryce was light and legal but it was still a pretty ticky tack flag. Pushing and shoving happens after a lot of plays and as long as they knock it off when the refs step in it's usually play on.

Yeah, I just know it's not gonna happen. The NFL wants to maximize QB protection because owners want to protect the most expensive position on their teams. The last thing you want to see as an owner is that $60M/year player leaving the field on a cart.