LinvilleGorge

I'm just gonna be proactive here and say something that won't be heeded but I'm just gonna throw it out there anyway. Dan was a great player for us and he was seen as a promising up and coming front office person who looked destined to be a future GM when he was initially hired on here. Now with that said, if it doesn't work out and when a move doesn't go as hoped or planned (and it WILL happen even if he becomes a great GM) can we please for the love of god not go to the concussion/CTE comments. Just please. The guy took a lot of physical damage for our entertainment. Just please be better than that.

I'm hoping for the best. I loved Dan Morgan as a player and he was seen as an up and coming future GM when he came here. So I'm just gonna hope that Fitts was an absolute moron and Dan was quietly trying to be a voice of reason who got overruled.

It's a terribly depressing thought but yeah, it's honestly probably the best approach for the future. Winning maybe 7 or 8 games with a good backup vet wouldn't accomplish anything other than make it harder to find the actual answer.

When I say "numbers" I'm just talking about the macro numbers. That's not a huge concern for me with a rookie or first year starter. But then you dig into the specifics and see that he's at or near the bottom of the league in practically every QB metric and... oh wee mayne.

I remember PTI and Around the Horn. I was like... wait, do people really actually watch this poo? WHY??? Who cares what these idiots think on the hot take topics of the day?

Back when I was in college my TV pretty much never came off of ESPN. It was just always there in the background. I didn't pay much attention to the screamo shows, mainly just SportsCenter. But then YouTube basically killed SC so there was nothing left on ESPN for me but live sports. I can't imagine honestly watching those people scream at each other and just drop constant obviously thirsty as fug hot take after hot take. Expand that same statement to Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, etc. Cut all of that poo out of your life and watch your mental health improve.

Bingo. Anyone still paying attention to the talking heads clamoring for clicks, reactions, and shares is playing themselves.

If he looks worse or no better next year you have to either pull him pretty quick and go to a vet and try to salvage the season or just ride his ass all the way to the highest pick you can get like we did with Clausen.

Slump? You think he's gonna be worse? Oh wee mayne.

I'm talking about basic physical traits. He has one of the worst arms in the league. He struggles to see downfield when the pocket gets muddy. Those aren't development issues. Those are generic issues.

Jon Gruden and crew immediately won a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's team in TB.

It's not even the numbers for me. It's the eye test. If his numbers were bad but he showed elite talent I'd be willing to have more patience but he just hasn't shown NFL talent.

Just stunning lack of self awareness. LOL! You're right that I do have an agenda here and it's just to point out your massive hypocrisy.

Yeah, Allen wasn't perfect. He missed some throws. I said it in the game thread. Mahomes also missed back to back potential TD throws late. It's almost like playing QB in the NFL is pretty hard and that football is a team game and not just two QBs playing one on one.

Who are "people"? Those people were idiots.

Good lord, man. How many excuses have you made for Cam? For Deion and Shadeur? Hell, I think you're spot on with Cam but for you to call pointing out failures of organizations and coaching staffs sad and pathetic is just wildly lacking in self awareness.

My point is you have to try to maximize your window. It's hard to be consistently good in the NFL. Lord knows we should understand that.

Brown looked very good as a rookie. He had a down second year and a lot of folks overreacted to that. But you are smoking that real good poo if you tink there's any evidence that Tepper's organization will do what they should do. I'm not saying draft a QB. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't pass on one that you really like. The trade is a sunk cost. Those assets and the pick we spent on Bryce are gone. We aren't getting them back. You have to evaluate him for what he's shown not what you thought he'd be. If there's anything that Tepper should understand as a finance guy it's that.

What's annoying is you constantly acting like games are just head to head matchups of superstars because superstars are all you can see. You act like a 13 year old girl with this stuff. Sorry, but that's just the truth. I'm not even an Allen fan. I think he's fun to watch but that's the end of it. Hell, I thought the guy was gonna be a massive bust. He's one of the least accurate passers I've ever seen in college no exaggeration.

We thought Cam had time too. Injuries can derail anyone, especially with Allen's playing style. Cam was iron man too right up until he wasn't.

Agreed all the way around.

We're talking about what they should do not what they will do. We already know that Tepper's Panthers are extremely unlikely to do what they should do.

Decent vet to push Bryce with the primary intention of trying to give Bryce his best chance to prove he can be what we thought he could be. If that doesn't work out, time to look at the '25 draft. Now with that said, if there's a guy you really like at #33 that you're shocked is still there, I don't think you pass. Honestly, I think you're pounding the phones trying to move up a pick or two into the bottom of the 1st to get him. Sorry, but Bryce really was that bad and showed that little promise.

The Bills have absolutely done a better job of fielding a consistently good team than we ever did. But they've also failed to put together a season anywhere near as good as our 2015. They've yet to make a legit SB run under the current regime. I'm not saying they should fire McD. But I'm also saying they should be analyzing everything from top to bottom trying to figure out what can get them over the hump. Lord knows they fully realize what it's like to come up short again and again and again. Do they really want Josh Allen's career to be a repeat of Jim Kelly's?

You really are hung up on "super stars". As if it's just two QBs out there playing one on one.